Posted on 06/16/2012 6:37:09 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
You analysis is excellent and very insightful. It was echoed in an excerpt from a book review SB posted yesterday:
“Book Review:
‘Barack Obama: The Story’ by David Maraniss
By contrast, in his biography of Bill Clinton, “First in His Class,’’ Maraniss describes a bawdy, natural politician who made himself known from a relatively early age — a high-school achiever known for pressing the flesh, someone who ran for every student office at Georgetown. I was startled by the sheer number of people Maraniss talks to who do not remember young Barack Obama at all.”
GBA, I’m having a hard time figuring out how the Dems ease Obama out of the campaign. He is a Malignant Narcissist—and right now he’s a MN under threat. As such he’s defensive, paranoid, angry and above all irrational. The idea that the Dems could ask him to step aside and he would oblige doesn’t connect w the reality of the sociopathic world of an MN under siege. If they succeed in getting BHO off the ticket, I for one will be very surprised.
Hell they could be just a few minutes or so before she was pregnant
I would suggest that people don't usually put up Christmas decorations till after Thanksgiving, though I would guess the photos were Mid December because of all the presents under the tree. Ann would have gotten Pregnant latter part of November I think. She Certainly wouldn't be showing at mid December.
Think about this: a MN fears nothing, except being exposed with no out, thus he might welcome stepping down under circumstances where the media vilifies his ‘enemies’ for running him off. It could be a huge bonus with herdable black voters for the democrap liars.
You’re very welcome for the ping. Let me just add that I am extremely impressed w the analysis you did. You had it right even before Gilberts got into the house and measured the room and the windows, photograhped the floor and completed the rest of his airtight analysis. Your credibility is very high in my book right now.
As for SAD, not only would she not be showing—she probably didn’t even know she was pregnant yet. A late period is a fact of life, and nobody gets overly excited if their cycle isn’t like clockwork. There is a reason so many pregnancy tests are sold now [though they weren’t available back then]: it’s because in the early mos it’s so hard to be sure.
You know, that is actually a very good point. The icing on the cake for BHO is the race hustling game he so loves and plays so well. If he left the race prior to a crushing defeat [it would take some doing to make him believe he had NO chance, even w ACORN fraud, etc., but it could be done] he could forever after say racism was his undoing. That would be nirvana for a talentless scam artist/racial grievance monger such as BHO.
One common theory is that the Kenyan Student love affair was a cover story for the fact that Daddy's best friend Frank was diddling Daddy's little girl and got her pregnant. When the baby came out there would be no denying that it's father was a black man. They ONLY way to get Frank out of trouble is to come up with someone else to claim paternity. They look around, and see Barack, and make a deal with him. For a little money and some side benefits courtesy of Stanley Ann, He can pretend to be the daddy. Of course he doesn't really give a rat's @ss about her or the kid, except where he can leverage them for his own benefit such as his INS deportation stuff.
All of this fits with the observable facts.
I don't think Daddy paid anything. Daddy was the one from whom the secret most needed to be kept. Daddy might have gotten violent on best buddy Frank. He may have talked tolerance, but He was from Kansas during a period where that sort of thing was regarded as very bad. (Indeed, it was a felony crime in 20 something states at the time.)
If anybody paid anything, it was Frank, because if Stanley's dad found out, or Frank's Wife found out, Frank would be in Deep Doo-Doo. People have remarked on how Frank and his Wife divorced around the time little Barry Soetoro showed up in Hawaii and started visiting ole Uncle Frank.
Obviously Frank's Wife (Helen Canfield) would likely have realized that her Hubby had been playing bouncy bed with Stanley Ann.
Just a guess though.
My guess is they'll just stop defending him and let nature take its course...with a just little helpful and timely "guidance" to make sure of the desired outcome and that the "correct" understanding is a part of the official narrative once the dust settles and the crisis has been taken advantage of.
Plenty of blackmail, motives, reasons and potential suspects to make literally anything happen, especially at the level obama is playing.
For his sake and ours, I hope it's not tragic. For example, Farrakhan's comments these last few have been more than a little chilling and he's just one of many.
Your scenario is realistic, and could well happen. But what do you think of this one. The top Dem strategists select the single most damaging piece of evidence they have against Obama [such as, for instance, that he applied to Occidental as a citizen of Kenya] and leak it anonymously to Breitbart. Thus the dirty work gets gone by a ‘rightwinger’, and the Dems’ hands are clean. If that doesn’t work, rinse and repeat.
Seems like a method that would lose them the fewest black votes. Plus, what Dem wouldn’t want to campaign against the evil Breitbart? Win win, it seems to me.
You and me both. If you had told me yesterday that Snopes would cave, I would have wondered what you were smoking. It didn't seem even remotely w’in the realm of possibility. They are a couple of the biggest Obama suck-ups in the world, no exaggeration. Can you imagine the agony that preceded their decision? They must have had to drink Saki and bite down hard on a bullet prior to hitting the ‘delete’ button.
Nothing says Obama-is-going-down-in-electoral-flames like one of his prime defenders being forced into full retreat mode. This is the equivalent of Al Sharpton finally admitting Tawana Brawley was a liar, and he was her enabler. It is huge.
Jarrett and Michelle are probably working 24/7 to keep the news from Obama; he just wouldn't handle it well at all. Axelrod no doubt knows, however...and he just ordered a tanker-truck full of Peptobismal to be delivered to the WH rear entrance.
Suggests that Davis wasn't the father, no?
In those pre-Internet days, Stanley grandpa wouldn't have known of Davis's Communist or pornographer past. He might have thought of him as a liberal or progressive, but beyond that he would have known that he was an educated Black man, of whom there were probably few in Hawaii at that time.
He-Stanley, raising a half-Black child, might not have known about FMD's background and might well have looked to him as a possible mentor for young Barack. If he knew that Davis was the father he wouldn't have let the child anywhere near him and would probably already have moved his family far away if he could have.
So could Davis have been the father without grandpa and grandma knowing about it? Doubtful. Left to herself, a teenage girl isn't going to gravitate to a tired 56-year old hack journalist, no matter how attractive the journalist thinks himself to be. It does happen sometimes, but you'd have to explain what the attraction would be. Looks, charm, money -- that wasn't there, and though Frank may have been a competent propagandist, he was far from brilliant.
If SAD and FMD lived in the same neighborhood a relationship or connection might theoretically be possible, but just as Malcom X probably had thousands of better and more likely sexual or romantic prospects than Stanley Ann if he wanted them, she probably had dozens or scores of better and more likely possiblities than Frank Marshall Davis.
Rape? Unwilling seduction? A drunken mistake? All the more reason why the Dunhams would have left the island ASAP. Girls have a way of conveying their distrust of creepy old men, even without coming out and saying what happened. If grandpa felt comfortable with FMD, it's an indication that he probably wasn't the father. If the Dunhams stayed on the island it's an indication that they weren't especially concerned about there being sexual predators nearby.
There is a resemblance between Obama's mother and the woman in the photos, but the dates seem a little off. The picture looks to be from the very late Fifties or very early Sixties. By the time SAD was about the age of the woman in the photo, in the mid-Sixties, furnishings would have changed. That's not exact, of course, and there's always a lag between what's advertised and what people actually have in their homes, but it is something to take into account.
If you are at all familiar w psychology, you would find it worthwhile to delve into Stanley Armour’s background. My empathies are w him, but that doesn’t change the fact that he was a royally screwed up individual. He inflicted his screwed-upedness on his daughter, and she passed them on to BHO. That is the psychological witch’s brew we’re dealing w, which makes Obama so dangerously destructive in the WH.
I mention this besause if at any time you expect Stanley Armour to act like a normal, decent parent, you are barking up the wrong tree. He was a mess, and acted like it.
obama is a different sort of political animal, without the emotional intelligence and personality of a Bill Clinton.
Clinton only got away with it because everyone who worked in the Media was a Liberal Democrat and wouldn't let any story gain traction and outrage among the American People. They made excuses for him at every opportunity, and delayed or challenged any reporting which was damaging or derogatory. Clinton didn't get himself out of trouble, the Media kept running interference.
The public used to get it's news only from Allies of Democrats. That is slowly changing, but they still have a great deal of power in keeping their guys out of trouble, and putting our guys into trouble. (Remember Macaca? Strom Thurmond's birthday party? Plastic turkey?)
You are seemingly being an appologist for Snopes.
Thank you! I followed what looked to me a trail of plausible evidence. I have been trying to get people to think about this for about a year now, and finally more proof has been discovered. I am hopeful that an accurate narrative of what happened will eventually coalesce, but there are still a lot of missing pieces and things that don't quite make sense, but I think this guy Gilbert has broken open the dam more or less.
As for SAD, not only would she not be showing—she probably didn’t even know she was pregnant yet. A late period is a fact of life, and nobody gets overly excited if their cycle isn’t like clockwork. There is a reason so many pregnancy tests are sold now [though they weren’t available back then]: it’s because in the early mos it’s so hard to be sure.
Absolutely. The only vague issue is whether the pictures were from 1960, or years later. I am presuming they are from 1960, but I would very much like to figure a better way to nail it down for sure. I noticed that in the other pictures Gilbert uncovered, there are other album covers visible. It might be possible to get a better fix on the exact date if we see a cover that was not released until after 1960.
When I had first learned of Gilbert's work, I had asked his website if it would be possible to obtain copies of the original photos he had discovered, but his web staff said "buy the Video", and beyond that they wouldn't help.
Ah well, I am content to let him do the work, so long as he is willing to actually *DO* the work.
I have long wondered if Obama knows his mother was a girl in a men's magazine? I'm thinking that people have made certain that he doesn't. Thus the obviously ridiculous "Marcy Moore" lie. It was to make the ugly truth go away for him and his supporters. They believed it because they desperately wanted to believe it.
We need to keep in mind, a cornered rat will fight fiercely. I will not be surprised if Obama orders a nuke strike or something. (Maybe even on US.)
Checking accuracy is now being an apologist? Got it. Thanks for the heads up. /s
An alternative explanation is that he was a clueless rube. On the other hand there are alternate explanations beyond that. I've read articles asserting that He and Frank used to pick up hookers in the red-light districts, and perhaps do a little wife swapping. He might have been okay with his daughter doing some experimenting, but I find this theory less plausible.
There is a resemblance between Obama's mother and the woman in the photos, but the dates seem a little off. The picture looks to be from the very late Fifties or very early Sixties.
The two Album covers visible in the pictures indicate it can be no earlier than 1957. One of the album covers (Cuban Fire) had two releases. Originally in 1956, and again in 1960. It is the Nat King Cole's "Love is the thing" album that guarantees at least a 1957 date for the pictures.
By the time SAD was about the age of the woman in the photo, in the mid-Sixties, furnishings would have changed. That's not exact, of course, and there's always a lag between what's advertised and what people actually have in their homes, but it is something to take into account.
The style of furnishings may have changed, but that does not mean people kept up with them. I knew people that until only a few years ago, still had furnishings from the 1970s. I used to know people with furnishings from the 1940s.
The salient facts though are that Gilbert has established beyond a reasonable doubt that the photos were shot at the location of 2994 Kalihi in Honolulu, and that the odds of their being two such girls at the same time are just too long to be credible.
I keep mentioning the tooth. A person may have a doppelganger, but it is asking too much of coincidence that the doppelganger would have the same crooked tooth in the exact same spot. Coincidence can only be stretched so far, and that is beyond the bounds in my opinion.
Why should you concern yourself about accuracy regarding Snopes? They certainly don't do it regarding us!
It wasn’t the accuracy of snopes I was checking.
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