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To: DiogenesLamp
I don't think Daddy paid anything. Daddy was the one from whom the secret most needed to be kept. Daddy might have gotten violent on best buddy Frank. He may have talked tolerance, but He was from Kansas during a period where that sort of thing was regarded as very bad. (Indeed, it was a felony crime in 20 something states at the time.)

Suggests that Davis wasn't the father, no?

In those pre-Internet days, Stanley grandpa wouldn't have known of Davis's Communist or pornographer past. He might have thought of him as a liberal or progressive, but beyond that he would have known that he was an educated Black man, of whom there were probably few in Hawaii at that time.

He-Stanley, raising a half-Black child, might not have known about FMD's background and might well have looked to him as a possible mentor for young Barack. If he knew that Davis was the father he wouldn't have let the child anywhere near him and would probably already have moved his family far away if he could have.

So could Davis have been the father without grandpa and grandma knowing about it? Doubtful. Left to herself, a teenage girl isn't going to gravitate to a tired 56-year old hack journalist, no matter how attractive the journalist thinks himself to be. It does happen sometimes, but you'd have to explain what the attraction would be. Looks, charm, money -- that wasn't there, and though Frank may have been a competent propagandist, he was far from brilliant.

If SAD and FMD lived in the same neighborhood a relationship or connection might theoretically be possible, but just as Malcom X probably had thousands of better and more likely sexual or romantic prospects than Stanley Ann if he wanted them, she probably had dozens or scores of better and more likely possiblities than Frank Marshall Davis.

Rape? Unwilling seduction? A drunken mistake? All the more reason why the Dunhams would have left the island ASAP. Girls have a way of conveying their distrust of creepy old men, even without coming out and saying what happened. If grandpa felt comfortable with FMD, it's an indication that he probably wasn't the father. If the Dunhams stayed on the island it's an indication that they weren't especially concerned about there being sexual predators nearby.

There is a resemblance between Obama's mother and the woman in the photos, but the dates seem a little off. The picture looks to be from the very late Fifties or very early Sixties. By the time SAD was about the age of the woman in the photo, in the mid-Sixties, furnishings would have changed. That's not exact, of course, and there's always a lag between what's advertised and what people actually have in their homes, but it is something to take into account.

71 posted on 06/17/2012 12:19:08 PM PDT by x
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If you are at all familiar w psychology, you would find it worthwhile to delve into Stanley Armour’s background. My empathies are w him, but that doesn’t change the fact that he was a royally screwed up individual. He inflicted his screwed-upedness on his daughter, and she passed them on to BHO. That is the psychological witch’s brew we’re dealing w, which makes Obama so dangerously destructive in the WH.

I mention this besause if at any time you expect Stanley Armour to act like a normal, decent parent, you are barking up the wrong tree. He was a mess, and acted like it.


72 posted on 06/17/2012 12:44:47 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: x
If grandpa felt comfortable with FMD, it's an indication that he probably wasn't the father.

An alternative explanation is that he was a clueless rube. On the other hand there are alternate explanations beyond that. I've read articles asserting that He and Frank used to pick up hookers in the red-light districts, and perhaps do a little wife swapping. He might have been okay with his daughter doing some experimenting, but I find this theory less plausible.

There is a resemblance between Obama's mother and the woman in the photos, but the dates seem a little off. The picture looks to be from the very late Fifties or very early Sixties.

The two Album covers visible in the pictures indicate it can be no earlier than 1957. One of the album covers (Cuban Fire) had two releases. Originally in 1956, and again in 1960. It is the Nat King Cole's "Love is the thing" album that guarantees at least a 1957 date for the pictures.

By the time SAD was about the age of the woman in the photo, in the mid-Sixties, furnishings would have changed. That's not exact, of course, and there's always a lag between what's advertised and what people actually have in their homes, but it is something to take into account.

The style of furnishings may have changed, but that does not mean people kept up with them. I knew people that until only a few years ago, still had furnishings from the 1970s. I used to know people with furnishings from the 1940s.

The salient facts though are that Gilbert has established beyond a reasonable doubt that the photos were shot at the location of 2994 Kalihi in Honolulu, and that the odds of their being two such girls at the same time are just too long to be credible.

I keep mentioning the tooth. A person may have a doppelganger, but it is asking too much of coincidence that the doppelganger would have the same crooked tooth in the exact same spot. Coincidence can only be stretched so far, and that is beyond the bounds in my opinion.

78 posted on 06/17/2012 1:39:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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