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Pro-Gun Activists Demand Permitless Carry of Concealed Weapons (Barf Alert)
JD Supra ^ | May 30, 2012 | Aaron Kase

Posted on 05/30/2012 5:53:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Amid the controversy over the spread of Stand Your Ground gun laws and their role in the death of Trayvon Martin, gun rights activists are pushing for even fewer restrictions on firearms through a status they call “Constitutional Carry.”

•Constitutional Carry would sanction individuals to carry weapons concealed or openly with no permit
•Push for federal law to force states to honor other states’ looser gun laws
•Next step is “Diplomatic Carry” allowing gun owners to pack heat in schools, shops, etc

On a RINO Hunt

Activists in Michigan have taken to the streets, proclaiming that they are hunting politicians who don’t support their pro-gun agenda. “We’re clearing out the RINOs (Republican in name only),” Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, told a Lansing newspaper. “Us gun owners are on a RINO hunt. … We need to control the politicians.”

Facing national backlash over Stand Your Ground laws that have taken center stage in the Florida case against George Zimmerman, who is facing murder charges for shooting unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin earlier this year, gun rights proponents aren’t backing down. On the contrary, the push is on for even fewer firearms restrictions on both a state and federal level.

What’s on activists’ minds? A questionably-named status known as Constitutional Carry, which would eliminate any permits or restrictions for carrying firearms in public, be they open or concealed. Alaska, Arizona, Vermont, and Wyoming already allow permit-less carry, with at least twelve more states considering similar rules. South Dakota Governor Dennis Daugaard recently vetoed a Constitutional Carry law passed by the state’s legislature earlier this year.

Misnomer

The activists are making some dubious legal claims, experts say. “First of all, [Constitutional Carry] is very much a misnomer,” says Dennis Henigan, vice president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. “There’s nothing in the Constitution that guarantees a right to carry a gun outside the home. . . A much better, more accurate phrase would be unregulated carry.”

Those pushing for looser rules, Henigan says, incorrectly cite the Supreme Court’s 2008 ruling overturning handgun restrictions in Washington, D.C. While the ruling did affirm Second Amendment rights, rather than striking down gun permit laws across the nation, majority opinion author Antonin Scalia in fact wrote “Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

“That undercuts the very premise of this movement,” says Henigan.

Slippery Slope

The Stand Your Ground laws, which eliminate the obligation to retreat before shooting someone who is threatening you, have spread to 25 states as part of an organized campaign by the National Rifle Association and the anti-consumer group American Legislative Exchange Council. So-called Constitutional Carry laws look like the next step.

“I think it’s basically exposing the gun lobby’s ultimate agenda, which they’ve been trying to disguise for many years, which is completely unregulated carrying of handguns,” says Henigan. “They’ve always emphasized how limited their agenda was. But it’s been a slippery slope.”

And lifting gun laws does have consequences. “Arizona adopted this proposal [unregulated carry] some years ago, that made Jared Loughner a legal concealed carry up until the moment he pulled the trigger on Congresswoman Gifford,” says Henigan, referring to the assassination attempt last year on the Arizona legislator.

More recently, the death of Trayvon Martin has raised further questions of whether its wise to allow people to carry guns without restrictions. “Trayvon is a very dramatic example of the cost in lives we pay for adopting the gun lobby’s agenda,” Henigan says. “Regardless of which version of events prevails in court, one thing we know is if George Zimmerman did not have a gun, Trayvon Martin likely would be alive today.”

The fight isn’t over, as states debate their own laws, and two federal laws are under consideration that would effectively nationalize the right to carry without a permit for people who reside in states with looser laws, an arrangement known as reciprocity.

Would Constitutional Carry be the be-all and end-all for gun rights activists? No. Next on the agenda: A push for Diplomatic Carry rules, which would exempt gun owners from any U.S. gun laws, effectively granting our own citizens diplomatic immunity and allowing individuals to pack heat in schools, shops, restaurants or anywhere else. Lock and load.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; trayvon; zimmerman
Comments?
1 posted on 05/30/2012 5:53:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“There’s nothing in the Constitution that guarantees a right to carry a gun outside the home"?

What does he think "bear arms" means?

What would be the point of a constitutional amendment allowing you to carry a gun from your living room to your kitchen?

2 posted on 05/30/2012 5:58:33 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Aaron Case is going to stroke out when he sees what we’re getting ready to do in the Courts. He thinks Constitutional Carry is bad, wait til he sees us destroy the 1934 NFA, gut the 1968 GCA like a fish, and legally disembowel the BATFE in a way that will make their worst nightmare look like a walk in the park.

Fast and Furious has made it so that we have no choice but to punish the Government. Congress won’t do the right thing by repealing some of these laws so we’re going to take them all down.

The libtards can kiss the machine gun ban good bye. They can kiss all of the import restrictions good bye. They can kiss the NFA good bye. And that’s just the tip of the ice berg.

There’s only one way we won’t totally destroy 921 and 922. That’s if Congress repeals the machine gun ban, eliminates the sporting purpose clause and eliminates ALL exemptions for Government and military and LE on all firearms laws.


3 posted on 05/30/2012 6:00:48 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"What does he think "bear arms" means?"


Possibly this???


4 posted on 05/30/2012 6:02:10 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: BCR #226

Where do we send donations to help make it happen?


5 posted on 05/30/2012 6:03:19 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Florida has led the nation in making it easy for citizens to defend themselves. In Jacksonville and Tallahassee, they even have dedicated CWL offices that do nothing but process applicants. It is a very streamlined process that takes your photo, does the fingerprints, and allows you to use a computer to fill out the form. As long as the license is that easy to get, I have no problem with making people obtain a license.

But, I do believe that concealed carry should be changed to “covered carry” where all the citizen is required to do is to completely cover the handgun so you could wear a comfortable pancake holster with just a shirt tail covering the exposed portions of the gun.

Of course, open carry is even better! But we should learn from our liberal enemies and turn the heat up gradually. Most people are comfortable with concealed carry laws now, so lets get them used to knowing where the guns are before we go to full open carry.


6 posted on 05/30/2012 6:03:41 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Libs can’t understand “shall not be infringed”. How about if we only let Libs have free speech in their homes, and then only with a permit?


7 posted on 05/30/2012 6:04:21 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

www.hellerfoundation.com


8 posted on 05/30/2012 6:10:39 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Regardless of which version of events prevails in court, one thing we know is if George Zimmerman did not have a gun, Trayvon Martin likely would be alive today.”

"Trayvon" banging George's head on the pavement would have killed George if George did not have a gun.

No life would have been saved, it would have been a story where the "teenager" killed a local community watch adult person - and hence there would have been the compulsory media blackout. No one would have heard about the story except those who read a tiny story in the local paper.

According to the left, decent people are not allowed to defend themselves if attacked by thugs.
9 posted on 05/30/2012 6:48:36 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

...outside the home...

Yeah that’s why they carried knives and swords around, the basic armaments of common men, just so they could only have them on in their homes. Effing libtard idiots.


10 posted on 05/30/2012 6:56:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: BCR #226; Jack Hydrazine

More:

When Blacks stand their ground: Florida cases of mother, elderly man reminders of long history of assaults, denial of Black right to preserve life
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/article_8889.shtml


11 posted on 05/30/2012 7:13:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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