I agree. I never could get past the fact that Obamas birth announcement was in the Honolulu papers in 1961. I see no plausible way that would happen if he was born in Kenya. And I’m not conspiratorial enough to believe that his grandparents put the listings in in the hope that someday that would be an indicator he was born in the US. Thats just too much of a stretch to be believable in my mind.
On the other hand, to get ahead, he NEEDED to be born in Kenya. He made up a lie to advance is career as the “exotic foreigner”. And it took a long time to unravel the lie. This all makes sense to me.
Have you ever seen one?
I agree with the writer as well.
After Bakke, universities were looking for all kinds of loopholes to admit minorities on other criteria besides race. This gave a huge advantage to minorities and even whites of African (South Africa, Rhodesia at the time) and South American (Argentina, e.g.) heritage.
A half black man from HI wasn’t going to get special treatment, but mention Kenya and voila, the university has its loophole. Indonesia was probably icing on the cake.
I don’t fault Obama for gaming the system (the system was flawed in the first place), but I do fault the fact that he has never come clean about it. But keeping it all shrouded in mystery and speculation is a political ploy which provides distraction and tinfoil hat theories.
The Clintons had the best investigative team going and if they couldn’t find anything of substance to hang around Obama’s neck, there wasn’t anything to find, IMO.
You should.
This isn't just about a phony birth certificate or two. You also must come up with explanations for the few bits of evidence that do exist (e.g. Connecticut Social Security number, forged Draft Registration, photoshopped pictures, Indonesian school record) and the mass of information that doesn't exist (E.g. Aug 1961 Immigration records, Immigration records from when he returned to the US from Indonesia, Passport records for him and his mother, people who knew him at Columbia, etc.).
These all point to an invented identity. No one can know what, if anything, is real about him. It is amazing to me that so many people still tolerate such a person being President of the United States.
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the Soviets were such expert forgers in Europe, to this day it is hard to tell what documents are authentic in European archives.
Do ya have an original copy of that Hawaii newspaper?
has the microfiche been tampered with?
...never could get past the fact of a birth announcement? Have you gotten past the fact that the commie’s selective service registration was forged? Or his short form AND long form were forged? Or the passport office was broken into? Or NO hospital in hawaii lays claim to the dud? Or anyone can send in a birth announcement? Why wouldnt the birth announcement list the hospital like the ones I read? Some people are stuck on stupid, like the writer.
The Social Security number from CT has always made me wonder how he got it and WHY CT,as he never lived ther, if he was born in Hawaii why not a Hawaii SS number.
1. Those birth announcements in the local fish wrappers are there because someone put them there. This wasn't the "legal notices" section of the paper with information supplied by local hospitals or the courts.All these are more consistent with a foreign birth, a record of some sort after the fact that really didn't make a whole lot of difference, and then a more recent attempted coverup and forgery of a document when it did make a whole lot of difference.
2. People born outside of Hawaii later had birth records established in Hawaii.
3. If little pregnant Stanley had gone with Barack Sr to Kenya, had stayed there for a while, had been caught by the sudden birth in Mombasa, and had not been able to get back to Hawaii, do you think any of this happened without the knowledge of her parents or that they would not, even then, see the value of posting an announcement of the birth in a local newspaper in the home town of their daughter?
4. Hawaii admitted, at one point, it had no actual birth certificate.
5. Abercrombie said he could find no birth certificate.
6. There was supposed to have been some sort of document in there, no longer available but not a birth certificate, relating to the circumstances of his birth.
7. The number and date of the purported birth certificate(s) are asynchronous with the numbers and dates on other birth certificates on those days.
8. The many other screwy things about the second "birth certificate" and its provenance.
Simply wanting Obama to be a US citizen would have been enough for his family to announce and register his birth in Hawaii.
I think the Canadian birth scenario is as likely as the Kenyan one.
Why do you limit the possibilities to Obama's grandparents?
My sons weren't born in my home town, but I had their births announced in my home town paper. I live far from my home town, still get the paper, and read the birth announcements. Some of the babies are born there, some are not, and some don't have a place of birth listed. I'm not sure that it was much different in 1961 in Honolulu.
A birth announcement in a newspaper seems to be a pretty thin thread to hang a theory on.
My birth announcement was listed in the town newspaper that my parents lived in and I grew up in but I wasn’t born in that town. Do you think my parents were “conspiratorial”?
I agree. I've never bought the "born in Kenya" conspiracy. Barack Sr.'s presence at Harvard is pretty-well documented so the notion that a pregnant teenage American girl would make an expensive and arduous journey by herself to a 3rd World African country she's never been to before specifically to have a baby in the presence of strangers (and her philandering husband's other wife) and then engage in a conspiracy to fabricate this baby's American birth has always been too far-fetched for me to accept.
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, USA. This I believe to be true. However, these revelations lead me to believe that at some point in his adult life, Obama decided he didn't want his birthplace to be the vacation paradise of Hawaii, son of a teenage mother and an exchange student. He needed to be the child of volatile, post-colonial Kenya, son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister. Was this done to gain admission to college? I don't know. At the very least, I believe this fabricated narrative gave him some measure of "street cred" amongst the lefty academics he was trying to impress.
It's funny. So many have been accusing Obama of lying when he said he was born in Hawaii. As it turns out, the conver-up has been that he was lying when he was telling people he was born in Kenya!
“Contemporary newspaper listings in Honolulu, for example, list the time and place of his birth.”
The birth announcement in the paper is meaningless. Remember it was 1961 Hawaii. At home births were common if not the rule. To get a birth announcement in the paper all you had to do was call them and say, “Hi, I/my wife/sister/girlfriend/daughter/etc. just had a baby boy on Tuesday and we’d like it announced in the paper”. Hell Barry’s Commie Baby Momma could have done it herself from Canada.
Pinging a bunch of people to this because it includes an update I still need to make on my blog.
First off, the newspaper announcement microfilms have been manipulated. Scratches that were present in earlier copies were missing when copies were later taken from the same microfilms - in multiple libraries. At the Library of Cognress, the microfilm box had its call number changed to something else and then changed back - apparently so that the particular microfilm roll (Aug 1-15, 1961) could be lost for a while and then found again. And that particular roll of film had a thick scratch that ended on the page right before Obama’s birth announcement page. I believe that’s also one of the microfilms where there were 2 copies of that page (the page right before the page with Obama’s birth announcement) - like whoever inserted the faked 2nd half of the microfilm put the splice AFTER that page rather than before it.
And I’ve documented on my blog that the stories we were told (about where the announcement images that were posted online came from) are absolutely false. The Star-Bulletin images were not independently copied from the microfilms at the Hawaii State Library by 2 different individuals, as claimed. They are identical SCANS (right down to the waviness of the scan edges) of the same image (right down to the same hair in the microfilm reader) as was given by somebody at the Advertiser office to Michael Rivero at whatreallyhappened.com. I documented this at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/attention-bill-oreilly-the-rest-of-the-story/
I had to do some digging to find out what really happened with the Advertiser announcement, after having it pointed out that I misread the year that the full-page image I referenced was actually posted. It was posted a year later than I thought. So I need to update that part of that blog post to insert what happened in the year before that full-page image actually got posted:
Turns out that what Lori Starfelt (and “Infidel Granny” received from the HSL librarian was a deliberately cropped, deliberately blurred (actually unreadable) microfilm-copy clipping that violated the library’s copyright protocols, plus a “close-up” of just the 3-4 announcements including Obama’s that were actually readable. So there was nothing shown that couldn’t have been EASILY photoshopped.
According to the e-mail from the librarian, Starfelt received those images after she specifically asked the librarian to find Obama’s birth announcement, contrary to the story she told publicly. We can’t ask her about it now, because she suddenly died of what was claimed to be ovarian cancer, right around the time I was bringing up the microfilm anomalies in preparation for posting the post linked to above. Her husband was Brad Mays, a photographer for her documentary about the 2008 democratic primary - who became gun-shy of criticizing the Obama people after his equipment was stolen right before a critical shoot. That theft was right around the same time as the deaths of Bill Gwatney and Stephanie Tubbs - which Starfelt’s colleagues have said were assassinations to scare Bill Clinton away from revealing Obama’s known ineligibility.
The image that finally emerged of a whole page was originally posted by Jeena paradies at wikileaks. It was posted in an optical-recognition format, since I was able to find it by Googling for “Norman Asing”. IOW, it was not a jpg; it was a pdf with optical character recognition - which is a forgery method that is used to alter text within a document.
Shortly after that was posted by Wikileaks it was taken down because the same image - which still had C&P lines under Obama’s announcement - was given to Michael Rivero at whatreallyhappened by somebody at the Advertiser office, supposedly taken from the microfilm at the Advertiser office.
Later, days after the 2008 election, the Advertiser published an on-line article about Obama’s boyhood homes which contained what they claimed to be an image of the birth announcement from the Advertiser office’s microfilm. Trouble is, the C&P lines were missing. The context of the whole page could not be seen because all but a small “magnified” section was deliberately blurred. I know it was deliberately blurred because 2 other publications later used that image (complete with the “magnified” section) with the permission of the Advertiser, and the whole page was NOT blurred.
IOW, the full-page image from Jeena paradies was in the format necessary to insert different words that show up in the same font as was used in the original document (much like how the Cold Case Posse was able to change Obama’s OCR-enabled BC on the video they presented at the presser). That document was first posted on Wikileaks and very shortly thereafter passed off to Michael Rivero as if it came from the Advertiser office’s microfilm, and the Wikileaks version was scrubbed from the web. Later, after people had expressed suspicion about the C&P lines under Obama’s announcement, the Advertiser published a blurred version of the whole page, with a “magnified” version that lacked the C&P lines from the copy they had given Michael Rivero. IOW, the Advertiser office claimed that their microfilm had the “scratch lines” under Obama’s announcement when they made the copy for Michael Rivero but no longer had those “scratch lines” when they copied it for their own article several weeks later.
There’s more that could be said too, but this is enough for now.
I will add, though, that Mike Zullo of the Cold Case Posse mentioned during follow-up questions at the presser that the birth announcements included foreign births and births for children who were already several years old by the time of the birthdate the announcements claimed. So even if there had been announcements for Obama, it wouldn’t have to mean anything.
But given the manipulation of the microfilms and the lies about where images came from, I don’t believe Obama’s birth was ever announced in those papers.
In addition to that, you need to read the monkey business by the HDOH regarding Virginia Sunahara’s records, their altering the birth index to include legally non-valid records, and their alteration of the BC#’s for at least Virginia Sunahara and Stig Waidelich. A good start for you to understand the basic picture of that is at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2885601/posts?page=72#72
And the reason for HDOH’s obfuscation rather than simply verifying Obama’s birth facts for AZ SOS Ken Bennett (documented at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2885697/posts?page=56#56 ) is explained at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2885697/posts?page=77#77 .
Now Doug Ross is painting a good fiction story to whitewash the tru bio, “Born in Kenya” and Inspector Smith has the proof that he got long before anyone else were looking into these contradictions!
IIRC, Ross, there is NOT mentioned any place of birth in the paper annoncements!!
Somewhere down in this muddy mesh, a valid b.c. and SS card or numbers had to be presented, Ross. So your theory and whitewashing and damage control does not WASH with any of it all!!!
Maybe YOU Ross should have been his Lit. Agent, hmmm???
Bill O’Reilly and the rest of MSM are full of crap. There is no excuse for the POTUS not to follow the laws of this nation. Providing a Birth Certificate is one of the simplest things to provide. Not doing so is unacceptable. I find it unacceptable for an elected government official to be above the laws of this great nation. By doing so, Obama shows his disrespect to the people and the laws of this nation.