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To: jazusamo

Just to clear up some nnonsense that goes around here at FR, the Volt was championed two years before Obama was elected and championed by Bob Lutz a true “car guy” and well known opponent of the “global warming” libs. Not everything GM soes is evil guys.


3 posted on 04/09/2012 11:43:32 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: Moleman

Do you own one?


4 posted on 04/09/2012 11:44:59 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Moleman

You’re correct and if people who can afford to buy the Volt buy it, more power to them but the subsidies and tax credits come out of the pockets of taxpayers. The majority of taxpayers who help support sales of this vehicle cannot in fact afford to buy one themselves.

If GM wants to compete on their own with other companies that’s fine but Obama has chosen the “green energy” thing and has specifically chosen to promote the Volt.


8 posted on 04/09/2012 11:52:59 AM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Moleman

BO was the one that bailed GM out.

BO was the one that stole property from thousands of business owners (aka dealers).

BO is the ONLY President of the United States which has pushed this vehicle.

Government Motors, not my kind of car.


9 posted on 04/09/2012 11:55:22 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Moleman
Just to clear up some nnonsense that goes around here at FR, the Volt was championed two years before Obama was elected and championed by Bob Lutz a true “car guy” and well known opponent of the “global warming” libs. Not everything GM soes is evil guys.

That is good information. I'll take you for your word and give you the benefit of the doubt. Since you apparently know more about the Volt history, why did it go into production?

There are always (or should be) new innovations and products being engineered and developed at manufacturing companies of all kinds. It's part of R&D. Most don't make it to market for various reasons (mostly solid business reasons).

At some point, somebody realized that the vehicle made no economic sense for the regular consumer. Before you answer, I would offer that a Corvette does not make any economic sense for the regular consumer and yet is a profitable product.

Where did they go wrong and why hasn't the production been scrapped all together? What is motivating the financial acceleration of the death spiral?

Is management so flawed at GM that they would take on this risky venture (if not certain failure)? Or is there some other mitigating factor that influenced a business decision at GM?

11 posted on 04/09/2012 11:57:48 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Moleman

All that was before Zero, Government Motors and taxpayer subsidies. The Volt that was promised was revolutionary; the one that was delivered is a gubmint boondoggle that robs the taxpayer everytime a unit is sold. It needs to die.


13 posted on 04/09/2012 12:09:34 PM PDT by jboot
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To: Moleman

Bob Lutz, aka “car guy” is also a GM flunkee...


15 posted on 04/09/2012 12:13:34 PM PDT by RedMonqey (A politician's integrity is usually only as strong as his poll numbers.)
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To: Moleman

“Just to clear up some nnonsense that goes around here at FR, the Volt was championed two years before Obama was elected and championed by Bob Lutz a true “car guy” and well known opponent of the “global warming” libs. Not everything GM soes is evil guys.”

Lutz a true car guy?

For what? His recent accomplishments that is.

The fact is while Toyota was adding Lexus and Scion, while BMW was adding Mini, GM was killing brands. Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Hummer.

GM saw Ford doing well with their new Mustang, so they went on a crash program to resurect the Camaro they killed so recently, and that is all I have seen from GM. Period.

No snazzy retro-nomad mis-sized wagon with a turbo-six, etc.


18 posted on 04/09/2012 12:17:36 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Moleman

the Volt was championed two years before Obama was elected and championed by Bob Lutz
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Lutz believed we’d have better batteries by now ... A car that can only go 30 miles on battery IF YOU DON’T USE THE A/C ,, or can only go 20 miles on battery IF YOU USE THE HEAT ... isn’t what we need ... the car is so inferior to the Cruze it isn’t funny ... I’ll take a Cruze ECO above this anytime.


20 posted on 04/09/2012 12:33:25 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Moleman
Just to clear up some nnonsense that goes around here at FR, the Volt was championed two years before Obama was elected and championed by Bob Lutz a true “car guy” and well known opponent of the “global warming” libs. Not everything GM soes is evil guys.

Yes, Lutz did push the Volt as GM's answer to the Prius - because GM needed something to offset the CAFE effect of all the V8 Camaros that Chevrolet was getting ready to build.

In fact, Lutz's comments at the time of his retirement sum up what the Volt has become. He said that he wasn't interested in designing vehicles for federal regulators, rather than customers.

24 posted on 04/09/2012 12:40:07 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Moleman

When they stuck their paws in the US Treasury, that was it for me. Fascism and communism is not my cup of tea. I perfer the only legal government in the US - a constitutional Republic.

Bob Lutz is in the Obama administration now. The union is into global socialism, the democrat party and part of Obama’s radical power structure. Why would I donate to the cause for Republic’s demise by buying an Obamamobile?


30 posted on 04/09/2012 8:51:56 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Moleman
the Volt was championed two years before Obama was elected

Ford championed the Edsel, years before the Kennedy election and if Ford was getting major subsidies from American taxpayers to keep building Edsels, the piece of crap would still be rolling down the highways of America.

Lutz may have championed the car, but it is the Obama administration that keeps the production line running.

34 posted on 04/10/2012 6:43:22 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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