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16 SHTF Barter Items to Stockpile
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Posted on 03/15/2012 2:39:57 PM PDT by Kartographer

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To: Travis McGee

“Bleach loses its punch in 2-3 years.”

Liquid bleach, yes. Straight crystalline sodium hypochlorite, though, lasts a while if sealed.


81 posted on 03/16/2012 6:56:08 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: MrB
One thing you can do with a defunct fridge or upright freezer - make a solar oven. Paint the inside black, take the door off, and put a glass window/door over the thing and you have a nice, insulated solar oven. Bakes bread really nice.

Also makes a great smoker, cut a hole for a flue pipe from a fire box off to the side and a small exhaust pipe with a damper at the top ,

82 posted on 03/16/2012 8:40:12 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: bgill
Many a frontier lady was able to develop a good business in another commodity that has been traded since the dawn of man. No mason jar needed.

Now if I was still single I'd be stocking up-on soap,shampoo,perfume(any good smelling sauce),combs and hair brushes, may be surprised ;>) what you can trade these for

83 posted on 03/16/2012 8:48:10 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: DuncanWaring

Yep - I bring my own soap and such when I travel. The stuff the hotels put out is just trade goods.


84 posted on 03/16/2012 9:22:13 AM PDT by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Kartographer; All; Squantos; Travis McGee
>> First almost nobody were out during the day because of snipers <<

IIRC, this person was in an urban environment where sniping would be quite easy. I'm in a rural environment, only trees around us. I would think this would negate to some degree the danger of snipers. What do you think? Anyone?

85 posted on 03/16/2012 9:29:53 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: Travis McGee

What are you using, Matt? Savonius rotor type devices?


86 posted on 03/16/2012 9:37:04 AM PDT by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Kartographer

I’m allergic to peppers, but I bought seeds for some of the more commonly used ones, so I can grow them for trade. Bell, pimento, paprika, etc. I should add tabasco to the list.

Having things stocked up is good for a while, but after that it pays to know how to grow or make it from scratch. I have tobacco seeds, I know how to distill liquer. The same still can be used to purify water if needed. I have a few varieties of sugar beets I’m testing out, and one of last year’s squash was so incredibly sweet that I’m going to be experimenting to see if I can purify sugar out of that, too. Even if I can’t, the puree works as a sweetener, it was that sweet!

Soap is pretty easy to make. There are several plants that produce it naturally, or you can use fat and ashes to make it. The fat doesn’t even have to be eating-quality, although the soap may smell weird if you use rancid or “fragrant” fats.

My land lays in such a way that it looks like it’s still abandoned. The spot where I’m building my house is completely hidden from the road, and that gravel road is so many turns from any main roads that it’s hard to find even if you know where it is.

Can’t say my homestead is perfect, the house isn’t even built yet. but I’m doing what I can, and letting the Lord deal with what I can’t.


87 posted on 03/16/2012 10:52:51 AM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: MrB

They make a decent cold smoker casing too.

Just want to clarify - laying a fridge down is a temporary measure. I have done it once, successfully, for three very hot days when we lost power. The compressor groaned and screamed like a banshee when it ran, but it did actually work. The fridge still works, now it is back in the upright position.

As several people have said, you need to rebuild the cooling system if you want a permanent chest style fridge.


88 posted on 03/16/2012 2:13:21 PM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: appalachian_dweller

Degree of dedication, time they have and skill sets possessed determine a shooters degree of success IMO.

Lots of door kickers coming back from Iraqistan with real world skills and experience. Just as we see right now veterans supporting this POS the Dali’Bama as well as veterans fighting this SOB every step of the way to save our beloved republic..... when violence erupts, skill sets are on both sides and terrain will be a factor yet again IMO not a detriment to taking a shot if they want to.

Now mix in the very skilled and experienced hunter with no military experience at all. That is where “real” snipers get their start as we saw with Carlos Norman Hathcock II, Vasily Zaytsev, Charles ‘Chuck’ Mawhinney, Rob Furlong, Corporal Francis Pegahmagabow, Adelbert F. Waldron and the likes of Simo Häyhä who kept snow in his mouth to keep his breath from condensing in extreme cold to reveal his position.

All these men with a background as hunters, stalkers of wild game, woodsmen before they ever put on a uniform. Lots of those, albeit maybe not as avid and experienced within walking distance of our own property where ever that may be in the conus.

Just my opinion.....:o)

Stay Safe !


89 posted on 03/16/2012 3:54:40 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Lazamataz; Travis McGee; Kartographer

Short story.... my Mom wanted a wireless mouse for her computer. She is frugal like most elderly that lived through the depression era. She hated the battery life and buying new batteries. I then showed her how to swap out the nicad batteries in her solar yard lights every few weeks. She has the type of “solar” yard / landscaping lights all over her yard, adjacent to walks and patios, in raised flower bed planters etc .... about 60 or more on her property. She loves the “free” recharging of AA batteries !

We use such as well at our home as storm lighting when power fails. The different types allow us to walk outside and grab a few off the patio and bring them indoors for use as emergency lighting and put em back during the day as “passive” battery chargers. AA type solar yard lights used so we keep a few SW/AM/FM radios, Flashlights and other AA sourced gadgets that can use the NiCad’s that stay topped off all the time.

Our home has an enclosed central courtyard where pilfering and theft threat is moot shy of the dedicated corpse that wants to get a free solar yard light from two rottweilers and a armed homeowner by crawling over the roof to get in the middle of a shit storm for a AA battery.....:o)

One of the bosnian conflict “improvised” wind and water type generators I saw used the GM type alternators that had an internal regulator. Cheap from a junk or abandoned car, easy to rig up to every thing from a indoor exercise bike to a water wheel or wind generator using an old box fan etc etc ...

They work.....

Some ideas, my opinion and experience for cheap sources of power.

Stay safe !


90 posted on 03/16/2012 4:17:35 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

Selfbump For review. Thanks pal.


91 posted on 03/16/2012 4:25:15 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Lazamataz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotka%E2%80%93Volterra_equation

One more to keep ya up at night......:o)


92 posted on 03/16/2012 4:55:46 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: patton; EnglishCon

“That will not work - you will fry that sucker in minutes.”

Correct. NEVER lay a fridge on it’s back or side.


93 posted on 03/16/2012 5:27:38 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: appalachian_dweller

“I’m in a rural environment, only trees around us. I would think this would negate to some degree the danger of snipers.”

Snipers LOVE trees!


94 posted on 03/16/2012 5:33:02 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Travis McGee

Matt, have you thought about small wind turbines? Much safer.


95 posted on 03/16/2012 5:35:22 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Squantos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotka%E2%80%93Volterra_equation

(Sound of grey_whiskers purring.)

Cheers!

96 posted on 03/16/2012 5:57:07 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: apoxonu

Most pills, if they are kept cool and dry, will last for years beyond the expiration date.


97 posted on 03/16/2012 6:03:19 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: grey_whiskers

LOL !......Stay safe !


98 posted on 03/16/2012 6:10:31 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Travis McGee
"I’d sure hate to be climbing a pole to secure that 10’ diameter rig. The alternative is to trust the shutoff system, or watch it self destruct in high winds. I’d love to see it in action, shutting itself off at 30+kts of wind."

The MidNite Classic controller with the Clipper will slow it down, and a shorting switch should be installed with it (powerful permanent magnets in alternator slow it down as current demand decreases...weird, huh). If you look at the instructions for building the 10-footer, you'll also see that it furls in high winds and/or with the prop running slower.

My area commonly gets 100+ mph wind gusts in winter. Homebuilts like the one behind the link (my former comments) tend to last longer here because of the alternator being on a trailer hub, open alternator, etc. Commercial rigs don't (heat in encased alternator, bearings, etc). The homebuilts are also most often mounted on tilt towers (much easier for maintenance, plan for one at the site).

As for yachts, solar would seem to be the best energy for extra electricity. Wind turbines that produce many watts also produce a lot of vibration--really hard on mounted structures. And of course, most interested people should know that wind turbines don't work well in most places for lack of sustained winds.


99 posted on 03/16/2012 7:45:39 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Travis McGee

BTW, the smaller freezer should run from very little PV module and battery. ...don’t know how well any freezer would run in ocean swells, though (off-level?).

http://sundanzer.com/solar-power-refrigerators/chest-style/


100 posted on 03/16/2012 8:04:37 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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