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1 posted on 03/01/2012 11:37:04 AM PST by Kartographer
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Preppers’ PING!


2 posted on 03/01/2012 11:39:33 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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I was thinking about the “ammo can rocket stove”,
and I thought that a 30 gal metal barrel could be used as an upsized version of it.

This would be a great cooking surface as well.


3 posted on 03/01/2012 11:46:41 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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Funny he mentions Boy Scouts. My son is crossing over from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts next month. I recently took him on a weekend trip with a local Boy Scout troop he is thinking about joining.

Anyway, Saturday after supper, the Scoutmaster divided the boys up into four patrols and assigned them each to come up with a song and a skit to perform for the group. It was a lot of fun.

I remember thinking at the time - this is an essential survival skill that’s being taught. If you’re preparing, don’t forget friends and entertainment.


4 posted on 03/01/2012 11:49:48 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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Toilet paper.

If you have more than you need, a great trading commodity.

A bidet might be a good alternative.


6 posted on 03/01/2012 11:55:35 AM PST by marktwain
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In my day, we even had a merit badge for marksmanship with a gun.

that hasn't changed in the bsa. it's actually gotten better. in the current day, we still have a rife shooting merit badge . we added shotgun shooting more than a decade ago.

and we recently dropped prohibitions on calibers and semi-automatics that you had in your day, so that scouts and venturers can now shoot handguns, and semi-autos. we're no longer limited to single-shot .22 rimfires. our scouts have fired 9 mm, .357 sig, 45 acp, and others already this calendar year . . . and last may, I shot .50 barretts at 1,500 meter targets with venturers at a local army base. our scouts and venturers shoot skeet and trap. and it's all allowed under current bsa rules - some less than two years old.

we can't hunt as scouts (yet), but we've had classes on hunting safety in our troop.

7 posted on 03/01/2012 11:57:58 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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Fire extinguishers should be on everybody’s list whether they are into prepping or not. Every house should have at least three and then keep track of them so they aren’t so old they are useless when you actually need them.


8 posted on 03/01/2012 11:59:19 AM PST by finnsheep
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From the article:
—(example, I just added another “two pack” of Quaker Oats — 4.5 pounds each, 9 pounds total — enough to keep your belly full for 10 days or more — for less than $10—

I don’t do Quaker for political reasons. However, I do buy bulk course rolled oats for $.49 a lb. A small bag of that stuff lasts forever. I also do oat bran for about ten cents more a lb. It lasts even longer - very filling.

Both are excellent health foods even in a good economy.


10 posted on 03/01/2012 12:00:49 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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Kartographer, I have been doing some re-evaluating in light of my own recent personal experiences and have realized that it is our own sheer will and heart that will allow us to go on no matter what the situation. Prepare your body, soul, and mind and work on that as hard as anything else you do. Never give up and never give in no matter what. If you haven’t prepared your mind, nothing else matters.


12 posted on 03/01/2012 12:10:48 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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20 posted on 03/01/2012 1:10:43 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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The Other Things (Needed for Preparedness) By Eric Peters Feb 29th, 2012 The Other Things The Boy Scout motto — Be Prepared — is probably considered evidence of terrorist (or at least extremist) inclinations in the USSA Today. I won’t even get into the parts about hiking in the woods, carrying knives and practicing “survival” strategies. In my day, we even had a merit badge for marksmanship with a gun. But, weekend camping expeditions aside, how to be prepared in situ? In your home? For when the SHTF? Guns (and ammo) are obviously good things to have. And every person who wants to be prepared for a possible fecal-flinging scenario ought to have them. So also food supplies and medicine. Check. Then I got to thinking about related stuff that is arguably just as essential which some “be prepared” people may not have taken into consideration — but really ought to. A heat source, for example. Not just for cooking, either. What if the SHTF in winter? If the utilities go down, and stay down, how will you keep from freezing? How will you keep the pipes in your house from bursting? Imagine three or four months, potentially, of freezing winter weather on your own. Some people heat with natural gas, propane or oil — the latter two of which, not being dependent upon a grid pipeline, can supply you for a few months if need be. I however prefer old school. I prefer wood. For one, it is free (provided you have some land — which you ought to, if you took steps to Be Prepared) and doesn’t require you to leave your place to obtain it — or even to deal with the outside world at all. For two, it is simple and (if you get a good wood stove/insert) extremely efficient. You might even look into something that’s very popular in my neck of the woods: An outdoor wood stove. It heats your home and your water, too. The other advantage to these puppies is you only have to feed them wood twice a day. They’ll slow-burn all night. And they run on other fuels, too — such as pellets. (
21 posted on 03/01/2012 1:13:24 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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The Boy Scout motto — Be Prepared — is probably considered evidence of terrorist (or at least extremist) inclinations in the USSA Today. I won’t even get into the parts about hiking in the woods, carrying knives and practicing “survival” strategies. In my day, we even had a merit badge for marksmanship with a gun. But, weekend camping expeditions aside, how to be prepared in situ? In your home? For when the SHTF?

Guns (and ammo) are obviously good things to have. And every person who wants to be prepared for a possible fecal-flinging scenario ought to have them. So also food supplies and medicine. Check.

Then I got to thinking about related stuff that is arguably just as essential which some “be prepared” people may not have taken into consideration — but really ought to.

A heat source, for example.

Not just for cooking, either. What if the SHTF in winter? If the utilities go down, and stay down, how will you keep from freezing? How will you keep the pipes in your house from bursting? Imagine three or four months, potentially, of freezing winter weather on your own. Some people heat with natural gas, propane or oil — the latter two of which, not being dependent upon a grid pipeline, can supply you for a few months if need be. I however prefer old school.

I prefer wood.

For one, it is free (provided you have some land — which you ought to, if you took steps to Be Prepared) and doesn’t require you to leave your place to obtain it — or even to deal with the outside world at all. For two, it is simple and (if you get a good wood stove/insert) extremely efficient. You might even look into something that’s very popular in my neck of the woods: An outdoor wood stove. It heats your home and your water, too. The other advantage to these puppies is you only have to feed them wood twice a day. They’ll slow-burn all night. And they run on other fuels, too — such as pellets. (See here for an example.) Provided you planned ahead and bought a least one top-drawer chain saw (I recommend Stihl) stored up a few spare chains and a sharpening tool for it, plus plenty of chain lube and treated gas (two five gallon jugs will last along time) you’re covered — and won’t freeze or have to eat cold food. Since we bugged out to the Deep Country, I have made it policy to cut and split wood at least one year in advance. So right now, I am working on wood for the winter of 2013-2014. I already have the winter of 2012/2013 covered.

You should, too.

Next, illumination. Lighting that’s independent of the grid. Ordinary candles are ok (and cozy) for a normal, short-lived blackout. But what about a more severe scenario? Regular candles don’t last very long — or those that do (like those nice-smelling Yankee candles your wife probably likes) cost a fortune. Propane/gas lights (i.e., camping lights) are not a good idea indoors. I bought a case of 100 hour (four days’ continuous use each) liquid paraffin, smokeless and ordorless emergency candles. Used prudently to provide a few hours of necessary light at night, a case of these should keep you out of the dark for six months or more. If you shop around, you shoud be able to find them for about $5 each — which is a deal compared with something like those $25 a piece Yankee candles. (See here for some more details about this.)

Next item, dihydrogen monoxide. You know… water. If the poo flies, you will need a steady source of safe water. In suburbia, where people are dependent on the grid, the water could be turned off — or worse, contaminated. This worry was among the many reasons why we fled to the country, where our water is in fact our water — literally ours. It comes from underneath our land, from our private well. So long as we have power to operate the pump (for which we have a generator, which with a manageable amount of stored, treated fuel — say 20 gallons or so — will run the pump as necessary for six months or longer) we will have reliable — and known safe — water. Storing a few gallons for Just in Case is fine, short term but if you haven’t got the ability to provide you and your family with safe drinking (and cooking; freeze dried food is not much good without it) water for several months, you ought to be thinking about how to do that.

Sooner rather than later.

Finally, cheap preps. It’s fine to talk about buying large cans of freeze-dried food or cases of MREs — if you can afford to spend a couple grand on that. Not everyone can. But quick oats are cheap; pasta, too. You can buy large quantities for almost nothing (example, I just added another “two pack” of Quaker Oats — 4.5 pounds each, 9 pounds total — enough to keep your belly full for 10 days or more — for less than $10). For a protein supply, think about chickens. Live ones. A small flock of 15 or so birds will give you 6-10 fresh eggs a day on average. Do not eat the birds themselves until they are no longer productive (about two years). If you have land enough for them to forage, they are nearly self-sustaining. (You’ll need to buy feed for winter, or at least, feed them something). But they are very inexpensive and easy to keep and will keep you supplied almost perpetually with high-quality protein to supplement your stocks.

All this is surely far from perfect or all-inclusive. But it’s a good start — and that’s what being prepared is all about, ultimately.

Regards,

Eric Peters

http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/the-other-things-needed-for-preparedness/

23 posted on 03/01/2012 1:19:05 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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Cover the subjects of shelter, security, transportation, lighting, paper reference library, medical, hand tools, fabrication materials, food, water, hygiene, heating, cooling, power production for charging batteries and communication you can “listen” to versus transmit with to stay low on the radar.

Each subject should have multiple solutions and in depth redundancy for best odds at seeing a real disaster through for any period of time.

One example ...we have city water, we also have wells with a windmill and a DC powered pump. We have rain collection tanks attached to the gutters on all of our homes structures. We have a swimming pool, a jacuzzi and 3 water heaters in addition to water stored. 3 Katdyn expedition water filters stored as well as a pressure cooker with a copper condenser coil modified to “distil suspect water”....

A set or pergolas over our raised garden beds were spaced just enough so that we can put two liter soda bottles on them so water in them can be UV filtered by the sun. We have a number of large tarps we can rig to also catch the early morning dew if needed.

That is just our “water sources” prep ..... redundant, simple and all the eggs never in one basket concepts.

my opinion....:o)


24 posted on 03/01/2012 1:26:31 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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25 posted on 03/01/2012 5:00:20 PM PST by Library Lady
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