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To: A_perfect_lady; betty boop
. One does not move logically into faith. If you did, it wouldn't be faith. I think believers would be much better off not trying to reason or argue atheists into anything. There's no path from logic to faith.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Faith is not the opposite of logic, or the natural result of the absence of logic.

I have faith in my car that it will start and get me where I want to go simply because of logic. It was intelligently designed to function in a certain way for a certain purpose and experience has verified the claims made about it.

Likewise, I'm sure that you have faith that gravity will act in a certain way if you jump off the edge of a building. Is that a result of the lack of logic?

48 posted on 01/02/2012 1:11:11 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
Likewise, I'm sure that you have faith that gravity will act in a certain way if you jump off the edge of a building. Is that a result of the lack of logic?

I have no idea why you want to cheapen "faith in God" by placing it on the same prosaic level as our daily assumption that gravity still works. The fact is, if gravity stopped working tomorrow, we'd all abandon that assumption instantly. But do you abandon faith every time you don't get something you pray for? Assumptions and faith are not the same. Assumptions actually ARE based on logic. Faith is not. It's not even supposed to be.

I really don't get why so many believers snarl at logic on one hand, and then claim their faith is logical on the other. You needn't either hate logic or co-opt it. To admit that faith is illogical is an act of humility. I've known believers who say "It's not logical at all; that's why I believe!" (I'm usually kind of amused by that, but at least it's honest.)

54 posted on 01/02/2012 6:50:50 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: metmom; A_perfect_lady; betty boop

” One does not move logically into faith. If you did, it wouldn’t be faith. I think believers would be much better off not trying to reason or argue atheists into anything. There’s no path from logic to faith.”

Spirited: Perfect Lady presumes both logic and reason that are only notable by their absence.

It is not reasonable to dissect a human body in expectation of ‘seeing’ its’ soul, and then on not ‘seeing’ it to declare its’ nonexistence. Nor is it reasonable to search man’s gray matter in expectation of ‘seeing’ scrolling words (thought, belief, reason, memory) and then on not ‘seeing’ them declare that mind does not exist. Such reasoning is irrational, illogical and very simply-—simpleminded.

Perfect lady chooses to reject her own soul based on this simplemindedness but not her mind and then expects us to view her as a logician. We do not.


140 posted on 01/07/2012 9:52:53 AM PST by spirited irish
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