Some observations. The calorimetry appears to be generally awful. I'd throw right out all of the phase change ones simply because you can have non-phase change measurements that aren't subject to dispute. That still leaves experiments where the excess energy relative to the input is interesting without having taken a detailed look at the possible stored energy. A detailed look is possible since that data is provided. Better heat measurements would be nice.
On a PR note, I'd lose all arguments of the form "how could your fool n scientists". As a scientist I would say that we are fooled pretty damn easily as a class. Nature is subtle, not deceptive and we aren't inclined to look for the lie. If I were an investor and could send one guy to examine the apparatus it would be the magician Penn Gillette. I'd tag along too of course, it's Italy.
Another thing I'd lose is the Conan-Doyle quote. When I have actually found myself in that situation in the past, having though I'd eliminated the possible, it was usually a failure of imagination. The more common error is to fail to see a possibility as existing at all and thus miss it.
Generally I'd avoid all appeals to authority as a form of argumentation. Some of the data looks pretty good. What is needed is more and better data to make the case. I trust the guys currently running the independent tests to do them honestly. Cases of individuals committing scientific fraud occur often enough that I have personally seen more than one. Groups of three I haven't seen or heard of yet so I am in principal happy with three guys doing independent testing. Most likely they are not colluding. Are there any plans to do more tests with better calorimetry?
Has anyone ever operated an E-Cat for an extended period of time?
***Rossi claims he’s heated a factory for 2 years but none of the skeptics believe it because he won’t walk them over to it and show them. One of the worst things happening with e-cat is Rossi’s personality.
Say, till it stopped operating for some reason yet to be determined? If yes, is there data?
***I think the site you’re looking at has some of the best data. There are 2 other good places to check in.
LENR-CANR.org
http://www.lenr-canr.org/FilesByDate.htm
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Another thing I’d lose is the Conan-Doyle quote. When I have actually found myself in that situation in the past, having though I’d eliminated the possible, it was usually a failure of imagination. The more common error is to fail to see a possibility as existing at all and thus miss it.
***I see you are a genuine inductive learner. You will enjoy this pursuit. I share your view of such a quote from a work of fiction as if it had some form of validity — which you have shown it actually does not.
Generally I’d avoid all appeals to authority as a form of argumentation.
***One of the things I would point out at this juncture is that I have caught a whole bunch of frantic skeptics using dozens of classic fallacies. They use them over & over again, even after having been pointed out. That is a major source of frustration.
Some of the data looks pretty good. What is needed is more and better data to make the case.
***Of course, that is what everyone wants. However, Rossi is not interested in scientific study. His interest is in generating enough data to have the customer sign on the dotted line and put cash across the table. That is a little bit lower of a threshold but it is a compelling one because the more e-cats are sold, the fewer are the objections until there’s a simple tipping point of acceptance. By having sold units all along before that tipping point, Rossi would have been ahead of the game.
I trust the guys currently running the independent tests to do them honestly. Cases of individuals committing scientific fraud occur often enough that I have personally seen more than one. Groups of three I haven’t seen or heard of yet so I am in principal happy with three guys doing independent testing. Most likely they are not colluding. Are there any plans to do more tests with better calorimetry?
***No. Rossi says he’s done testing, he’s selling units now.