Posted on 10/17/2011 4:48:39 PM PDT by apoliticalone
The perpetual whining about how to stop illegal immigration, or how to treat them once they are here, drives me "nuts". As a long time member of Numbers USA my feeling is that there is only one answer.
Alleged white / blue collar and employer criminals of illegals understand and fully subscribe to the theory of risk reward, and that deterrence stops crime much more with them than typical 2 digit IQ low life hard core criminal scum.
They understand fully that more profits and labor savings may not be worth big time punishment.
Instead of we taxpayers forced to build billion dollar fences, just take the heads off the next five employers of illegals. It shouldn't make any difference what their politics or company size is. When word gets around with other employers about the hard core punishment for hiring illegals, there will never be another illegal immigrant hired in the USA. Guaranteed. Business people will do anything if it increases profits but will do nothing if it puts their lives at risk.
No more jobs, no more handouts equals the illegals will leave and go home. That is the only solution. I'm tired of the politicians on both sides dancing around the edges on this issue.
If I’m not mistaken, this would require a change in the law. And such a law will be difficult to pass until we get more tea party folks elected.
For every business owner who hires illegals do what President Eisenhower did: Not only send the illegals back over the border but put the business owners IN JAIL as he did, IN JAIL!!
The real value of the full and complete fence is not only keeping invaders to a minimum... It takes away the ability of the Democrats and Liberals to play politics with enforcement of the unfenced sections.
THAT is the real value of the fence and the real reasons they fight so strongly against it. Now think about every time the Guard gets sent there...unarmed and useless...the BP gets ROEs that make them into targets.
THINK!!!
That is the totalitarian way. And once you start down that path, it becomes blood sacrifice to moloch.
/johnny
Yup, jail the person that pays um. Jail the ones that TRY to collect welfare. Jail the landlords that rent to them. Deport the ones you catch.
If they flunk e-verify to bad, so sad. Go see the SS office if your really a citizen to get it fixed.
In addition put the military on the boarder with shoot to kill orders. That’ll stop um rather quickly.
They are invaders and must be treated as such.
A fence is only a first line of defense and will be backed up by border patrol and actual enforcement of our laws.
Whining about it is nothing more than a ploy to keep doing exactly nothing.
We don’t need a billion dollar fence to stop illegals.
Just a few well placed machine gun nests
There are two Mexicans who have been lost in the desert for weeks, and they’re at death’s door (which is just outside Guadalajara).
As they stumble on, hoping for salvation in the form of an oasis or something similar, they suddenly spy, through the heat haze, a tree, off in the distance.
As they get closer, they can see that the tree is draped with rasher upon rasher of bacon. There’s smoked bacon, crispy bacon, life-giving juicy nearly- raw bacon, all sorts.
“Hey, Pepe” says the first bloke (Don Pedro). “ees a bacon tree!!! We’re saved!!!”
“You’re right, amigo!” says Pepe.
So Pepe goes on ahead and runs up to the tree salivating at the prospect of food. But as he gets to within five feet of the tree there’s the sound of machine gun fire, and he is shot down in a hail of bullets.
His friend quickly drops down on the sand, and calls across to the dying Pepe. “Pepe!! Pepe!! Que pasa hombre?”
With his dying breath Pepe calls out.... “Ugh, run,amigo, run!! ees not a Bacon Tree”
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.”ees... a....
Ham bush”
Shutting off the job magnet is absolutely essential, but there is more involved when you realize that our border with Mexico is the longest one in the world between a Third World country and a developed one. There is enormous pressure for people to get out of a corrupt Third World cesspool and go to the US regardless of the risk and hardship. And we now have enough immigrants in this country, 40 million legal and illegal, that can harbor and support illegals.
The two main threats to our national security posed by immigration relate to terrorism and drugs. First, tens of thousands of persons from countries that support international terrorism have come across our southern border undetected since 9/11.
Testifying before Congress in March 2006, FBI Director Robert Mueller said that his agency busted a smuggling ring organized by the terrorist group Hezbollah that had operatives cross the Mexican border to carry out possible terrorist attacks inside the U.S. “This was an occasion in which Hezbollah operatives were assisting others with some association with Hezbollah in coming to the United States,” Mueller told a House Appropriations subcommittee during a hearing on the FBI's budget. Hezbollah was responsible for the October 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut, which killed 243 U.S. troops. A total of 20 foreign-born terrorists were involved in 9/11, 19 of whom took part in the attack that resulted in nearly 3,000 deaths. The terrorists had entered the country on tourist or student visas. Four of them, however, had overstayed their visas and become illegal aliens and the others should not have been granted visas for various immigration control reasons.
Second, Michael Hayden, the outgoing head of the CIA stated in January 2009 that the threat of a narco state in Mexico is one of the gravest dangers to American security, on a par with a nuclear-armed Iran. An assessment by the United States Joint Forces Command, published in February 2009, concluded that the two countries most at risk of becoming failed states were Pakistan and Mexico.
The descent of Mexico into a failed narco state, marked by increased violence and brutality, which has already spilled over into the U.S., has enormous implications for immigration, legal and illegal. With over 11 million Mexican-born residents in the U.S. plus their U.S.-born relatives, there are strong familial ties to Mexico, which would attract Mexicans fleeing a disintegrating state seeking asylum and safety in the U.S. And the pressure on our porous, unsecured southern border would increase dramatically. Currently, the Border Patrol apprehends more than half a million people annually trying to enter the U.S. illegally from Mexico and hundreds of thousands more illegal aliens are successful in gaining entry. There is no way the U.S. could stop a tidal wave of Mexicans seeking asylum in this country and it would be even more difficult to remove them.
There has been a confluence of interests between drugs, illegal immigration, and terrorism. The systems for moving terrorists illegally across the border have become increasingly sophisticated, with Mexican drug kingpins now playing a major facilitating role using the same routes and methods to bring in illegal aliens and drugs. In view of the carnage that the 19 terrorists created on 9/11, the virtual certainty that our government has allowed substantial numbers of terrorists and their supporters to enter our country illegally is an outrage.
I have a much better idea. Imprison politicians who pander to illegals. That would put J.R. Perry, McCain, Grahamnesty, Obama, Biden, and Pelosi behind bars where they belong.
Any full fence MUST be backed up with BP etc. Absofreakin’lutely.
I also agree that the longer people whine about “Soviet” BS etc, it’s just a ploy to stop it, delay it, whatever. Because all of that feeds into power for the Dems. And when the border IS finally enforced, you’ll see lots of high level libs leave the country rather than give up the Coke habit.
Terror as in what way?
I would have no problem supporting major life changing punishment for those of any politics who employ, hire, rent, benefit or subsidize illegals. I’m tired of paying unemployment to Americans while illegals take their jobs.
I’d like to put some terror in the minds of those who create the carrot and who suck in the illegals so that they can profit on my taxes, and also in the minds of corrupt politicians who think getting votes regardless of the overall costs to the USA citizens is the way to get reelected.
There is an ignored civil war on our front porch, that is the first issue we have to accept and then deal with it. Step one would be to see if we can get our Dear Leader to STOP ARMING THE ENEMY! Step two is to kill the Narco-Terrorist and corrupt Mexican Military Units that invade our country daily. Step three is to arm our border with the National Guard with orders to return fire and seek out and destroy anyone threatening the Sovereignty of US Territory, fence strategic areas and use UAVS along with an enormous increase in Border Patrol Agents to actual guard the fences and respond to electronic barriers.
Step four is dealing with those already here. Anyone who says anything differently has a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening on our Southern Border.
Restore order to Mexico, give them incentives to leave and then secure the damn border so they cant get back in.
As far as I’m concerned, anyone who stands in the way of securing the border in any way shape or form, needs to explain why they want a democrat future for America.
After all, 30 million or so illegals, translates into nearly 50 congressional seats whether the illegals vote or not. No “Honest” American would accept that.
uhh ... HAHHAhahaaa. Heard that before and it’s still funny.
Why don’t we just enforce the laws we have now. That should take care of the problem.
As long as it is apolitical I fully agree. I don’t trust either Party not to screw over the country on this. That’s why it has been allowed to go on for 40 years without seeing any effort to really end it by owned politicians - D/R.
Republican candidates except for a few like to talk about enforcing borders and then it goes on and on. I liked Tancredo because he wasn’t scared off by Rove or the Chamber of Commerce.
Billion?
I remember hearing that 10-20 million would go a long way.
Build the fence. We have been saying this for years!!!! Suddenly a liberal governor from Texas says “no: and that is acceptable. No way! Perry is wrong with his love of illegal aliens and we as conservatives should be fighting him all the way!!!!!
The jails are overcrowded. One reason for knowingly hiring illegal aliens is for what is effectively "slave labor." Hit them where it would hurt the most.
Mark
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