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Fake conservative talk show hosts embrace Herman Cain!
10-7-11 | JOHN W K

Posted on 10/07/2011 3:33:58 PM PDT by JOHN W K

"Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks, if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself. It is not someone's fault if they succeeded, it is someone's fault if they failed,"___ Herman Cain

Of course Herman Cain, former ringleader of the Federal Reserve would say something like that, especially when the Federal Reserve and its un-constitutional money monopoly is in defiance of our founding fathers expressed intentions, and is used to plunder what America‘s Businesses and labor have produced.

And what did Daniel Webster have to say regarding working people: "Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring class of mankind, none have been more effectual than that which deludes them with paper money. This is the most effectual of inventions to fertilize the rich man's field by the sweat of the poor man's brow."

Was Mr. Webster making something up? I think not as our founders were pretty much in agreement!

During the federal convention which framed our Constitution our founding fathers specifically voted to forbid a power to Congress to “emit bills on the credit of the united States” , and intentionally forbid any notes being made a legal tender! See: The Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787, reported by James Madison : August 16

Mr. Govr. MORRIS moved to strike out "and emit bills on the credit of the U. States"-If the United States had credit such bills would be unnecessary: if they had not, unjust & useless.

______ cut ______

Mr. READ, thought the words, if not struck out, would be as alarming as the mark of the Beast in Revelations.

Mr. LANGDON had rather reject the whole plan than retain the three words "(and emit bills")

On the motion for striking out N. H. ay. Mas. ay. Ct ay. N. J. no. Pa. ay. Del. ay. Md. no. Va. ay. [FN23] N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.

[FN23] This vote in the affirmative by Virga. was occasioned by the acquiescence of Mr. Madison who became satisfied that striking out the words would not disable the Govt. from the use of public notes as far as they could be safe & proper; & would only cut off the pretext for a paper currency, and particularly for making the bills a tender either for public or private debts.

______

Our founding fathers were well aware of the historical thievery which takes place when notes of any kind are made a LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. And that is why they intentionally voted to forbid any notes being made a legal tender which, if allowed, would create an evil money monopoly and force businesses and individuals to accept worthless script in payment of debt, even if they were not “safe and proper”.

To bad our “conservative’ talk show hosts avoid talking about two specific key issues which our founding fathers addressed in great detail and provided specific rules in our Constitution to encourage and protect a free market system and prevent Congress‘s power of taxation being abused. The two key issues which our “conservative” talk show hosts fail to address are:

Federal Reserve Notes having been made a LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE in defiance of our Constitution’s legislative intent, and our Constitution’s “fair share formulas” for both taxation and representation:

FAIR SHARE OF EACH STATE’S REPRESENTATIVES

State`s Pop.
___________ X House size (435) = State`s No.of Reps.
U.S. pop.

FAIR SHARE OF ANY GENERAL TAX LAID AMONG THE STATES

State`s Pop.
_________ X SUM NEEDED = STATE`S SHARE OF DIRECT TAX
U.S. pop.

A few days ago Glenn Beck had Herman Cain on his radio show promoting his 9-9-9 plan, which includes a “national sales tax’, in addition to a 9 percent tax on corporate profits, and a 9 percent tax upon working people’s earned wages.

Glenn Beck was all in favor of the addition of Cain’s new 9 percent national sales tax to feed the beast in Washington, and didn’t even bother to play devil’s advocate and question its constitutionality, or the rational behind adding a new tax to Congress‘ menu while keeping existing taxes on incomes alive.

This is a typical example of our so called “conservative” talk show hosts avoiding two of the most important issues addressed by our Founding Fathers.

Why is it that our “conservative” talk show hosts will not talk about the unconstitutionality of federal reserve notes being made a legal tender for all debts public and private, nor talk about the rule of apportionment and how our founder’s agreed it would apply to any general tax laid among the States? Has Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'rielly, Mike Gallagher, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz. Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, etc., ever mentioned our Constitution‘s fair share formula for any general tax laid among the States or federal reserve notes having been made a legal tender in defiance of our founders expressed intentions?

JWK

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.___ James Madison


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 999; awjeez; beck; cain; cuespookymusic; federalreserve; goodgrief; iatz; kooky; lame; morethorazineplease; paultard; ronpaulattack; spotthelooney; stupidattack; tinfoil; vattax
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1 posted on 10/07/2011 3:34:05 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

Cue the “Oh Geez, not this sh*t again” graphic?


2 posted on 10/07/2011 3:38:42 PM PDT by RockinRight (If everyone wants to ride in the wagon, then who is pulling it?)
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To: JOHN W K

Ringleader huh?


3 posted on 10/07/2011 3:39:22 PM PDT by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: JOHN W K

You lost it from the first paragraph if you don’t even know the difference between the Federal Reserve Board of Governor’s in DC and the Regional Federal Reserve banks that Cain was a part of- the difference is as great as the Federal Reserve and Fed Ex- just because they have “Fed” in the name doesn’t mean they are the same...

...but then to pile on, you go into ‘mark of the beast’ crap and then call Beck an fake Conservative?

The only thing fake I see here is this article.


4 posted on 10/07/2011 3:39:26 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: JOHN W K

5 posted on 10/07/2011 3:39:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JOHN W K

Why don’t you pin your happy little swastika on your collar and get out in the streets with your brethren then.


6 posted on 10/07/2011 3:41:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: JOHN W K

My first point about being against Mr Cains “simple” 999 plan is that it levies a national sales tax on top of our current state sales taxes.
That gives me a sales tax of 17 3/4% here in Texas.

But Mr Cain would remove federal income tax!

He has laid out a plan to do so, but it is a plan dependent on airy unconstitutional BS like “Super Committees”

Color me skeptical.


7 posted on 10/07/2011 3:42:48 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JOHN W K

Your tinfoilhat has hole in it, dear Liza.


8 posted on 10/07/2011 3:43:15 PM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: JOHN W K

John, the Occupy Wall Street people just realized you were missing and they are getting worried about you. You’d better send your partner a text.


9 posted on 10/07/2011 3:43:34 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: RockinRight

Someone is off there meds for sure.


10 posted on 10/07/2011 3:43:43 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: JOHN W K

So for whom should I vote?


11 posted on 10/07/2011 3:44:57 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt Thsese Constitution together as the loose sicianscrews of the Left fall out!)
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To: JOHN W K

But the 999 plan is so simple that anyone can understand it /s


12 posted on 10/07/2011 3:45:52 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JOHN W K

Wrong Paul is never going to be the President of anything.


13 posted on 10/07/2011 3:46:31 PM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: RockinRight
This one may require something unique. Either this:

Or this:


14 posted on 10/07/2011 3:47:53 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: prisoner6
"So for whom should I vote?"

You have to ask? Why Ron Paul of course. Cue Captian Obvious.

15 posted on 10/07/2011 3:48:00 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Someone is off there meds for sure.

Wall street stole them (but I haven't ruled out the Jews yet either)
16 posted on 10/07/2011 3:48:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: cripplecreek

Maybe a Jewish Doctor proscribed them?


17 posted on 10/07/2011 3:49:43 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

The plot goes deeper than I expected.


18 posted on 10/07/2011 3:51:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: cripplecreek

19 posted on 10/07/2011 3:52:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JOHN W K

I get it, this is one of those threads where we have to guess which personality disorder the original poster has.

I’m calling borderline.


20 posted on 10/07/2011 3:53:20 PM PDT by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: JOHN W K
Herman Cain's 999 Plan Vision for Economic Growth

The natural state of our economy is prosperity. Freedom ensures that. We must get the government off our backs, out of our pockets and out of our way in order to return to prosperity. Policy uncertainty is killing the economy.

Economic Guiding Principles

Production drives the economy, not spending. We can not spend our way to prosperity. Government spending IS taxation. Government spending is like taking a bucket of water from the deep end of the pool, pouring it in the shallow end. Then they HOPE that the water level will CHANGE.

Risk taking drives growth . Business formation and job creation are dependent on entrepreneurs taking risks. Investors who fund those entrepreneurs likewise take risks. Measurements must be dependable. A dollar must always be a dollar just as an hour is always 60 minutes. Sound money is crucial for prosperity.

We Must Unite Not Divide

When one party seeks to spend so that the other party must focus on cutting, we must unite around economic growth. Unite all tax payers, don’t divide them into “income” tax payers vs. “payroll” tax payers. Unite those wanting to eliminate deductions with those seeking lower rates. As a first step, unite the “Flat-Taxers” with the “Fair-Taxers”

Economic Growth is the Key

This is the worst recovery since the Depression. If the President’s goal was to tie for last place with the previous worst recovery, he failed by 6 million jobs. If we had a typical recovery, 13 million more Americans would be employed today. That means more tax revenue, less government spending and 13 million less people opposed to reasonable spending cuts.

The Super Committee must deliver a robust growth solution.

America can’t wait for 2012, we need growth NOW Phase 1 - 9-9-9

Current circumstances call for bolder action. The Phase 1 Enhanced Plan incorporates the features of Phase One and gets us a step closer to Phase two. I call on the Super Committee to pass the Phase 1 Enhanced Plan along with their spending cut package. The Phase 1 Enhanced Plan unites Flat Tax supporters with Fair tax supporters. Achieves the broadest possible tax base along with the lowest possible rate of 9%. It ends the Payroll Tax completely – a permanent holiday! Zero capital gains tax Ends the Death Tax. Eliminates double taxation of dividends Business Flat Tax – 9% Gross income less all investments, all purchases from other businesses and all dividends paid to shareholders. Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for payroll employed in the zone. Individual Flat Tax – 9%. Gross income less charitable deductions. Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for those living and/or working in the zone. National Sales Tax – 9%. This gets the Fair Tax off the sidelines and into the game.

Phase 2 – The Fair Tax Amidst a backdrop of the economic boom created by the Phase 1 Enhanced Plan, I will begin the process of educating the American people on the benefits of continuing the next step to the Fair Tax. The Fair Tax would ultimately replace individual and corporate income taxes. It would make it possible to end the IRS as we know it. The Fair Tax makes our exported goods and services the most competitively internationally than any other tax system. Phase 1 Enhanced Plan – Summary

Unites all tax payers so we all pay income taxes and no one pays payroll taxes Provides the least incentive to evade taxes and the fewest opportunities to do so Lifts a $430 billion dead-weight burden on the economy due to compliance, enforcement, collection, etc. Is fair, neutral, transparent, and efficient Ends nearly all deductions and special interest favors Ends all payroll taxes Ends the Death Tax Features zero tax on capital gains and repatriated profits Lowest marginal rates on production Allows immediate expensing of business investments Eliminates double taxation of dividends Increases capital formation. Capital per worker drives productivity and wage growth Capital formation will aid capital availability for small businesses Features a platform to launch properly structured Empowerment Zones to revitalize our inner cities We all know the Fed has tripled the money supply since 2008. They have been printing money out of thin air to finance the Obama spending machine. While true Fed reform that restores sound money may have to wait for my election, the best thing we can do now is to pursue policies that increase the DEMAND for dollars to help mitigate the risks associated with the increase in the supply. Pro-growth economic policies equal a strong dollar policy

21 posted on 10/07/2011 3:53:41 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JOHN W K
Hey John Kliewer, you still supporting Ron Paul?

for those interested, google Johnwk, the author of the above post.

22 posted on 10/07/2011 3:53:57 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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23 posted on 10/07/2011 3:54:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek

What a traumatic experience from a visit to a Jewish Proctologist?


24 posted on 10/07/2011 3:54:57 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: JOHN W K

Are you the guy posting almost the same crap on Hannity’s forums, but you are focusing on that 999 upside down is 666 and you are there arguing that Cain is the anti-Christ and we should vote for Ron Paul?

LULZ, you are Anonymous or 4Chan right? You actually think people take you seriously when you play those games?

Everyone needs to check this guy out on other parts of the interwebs, major lulz.
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=95926491


25 posted on 10/07/2011 3:55:35 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: prisoner6
So for whom should I vote?

Johnwk would suggest Ron Paul.........

26 posted on 10/07/2011 3:56:51 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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To: JOHN W K

What I love is over on RonPaulForums.com possibly you and others are contemplating how they can use this 999/666 thing to turn Christians against Paul because 666 is 999 upside down...
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aronpaulforums.com+herman+cain+999%2C+666&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


27 posted on 10/07/2011 3:57:31 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Kartographer
What a traumatic experience from a visit to a Jewish Proctologist?

You think that's bad, I just found out my proctologist used to work for Roto-Rooter.

28 posted on 10/07/2011 3:57:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator; cripplecreek

Isn’t if fun to be in your 50’s, ;-)


29 posted on 10/07/2011 3:59:14 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Better that than a mohel with a guillotine!


30 posted on 10/07/2011 3:59:21 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: JOHN W K

Let me guess, you post while wearing a Guy Fawkes mask?


31 posted on 10/07/2011 4:00:29 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Kartographer

Doh!


32 posted on 10/07/2011 4:00:29 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt Thsese Constitution together as the loose sicianscrews of the Left fall out!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

OOOCH!


33 posted on 10/07/2011 4:00:52 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Hot Tabasco

LOL, good suggestion, it seems our ‘friend’(sic) here also likes Occupy Wall Street.. which really isn’t a surprise.


34 posted on 10/07/2011 4:03:08 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: humblegunner; darkwing104; 50mm; Allegra

Ping for laughs..


35 posted on 10/07/2011 4:05:19 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: JOHN W K

Never found Glenn Beck to be conservative. He’s more of a Ron Paul type nutcase


36 posted on 10/07/2011 4:05:27 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: mnehring
From Cains 999 plan

Capital per worker drives productivity and wage growth Capital formation will aid capital availability for small businesses Features a platform to launch properly structured Empowerment Zones to revitalize our inner cities We all know the Fed has tripled the money supply since 2008. They have been printing money out of thin air to finance the Obama spending machine.

Can anyone tell me what Cain is talking about?

37 posted on 10/07/2011 4:10:15 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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Like I said, the “Palinization” of Cain by the media is starting.

If conservatives elect a Black Man to the WH, it will neutralize the race card that the left plays so often.

How can they accuse the Tea Party of being “racists” when they elect a Black Man as POTUS?

I’ve already heard him called an “Uncle Tom” and a “Token Black” by some on the left, yet the MSM is silent.

I’ll say it again - our two main enemies are the MSM and the Dems, in that order as the MSM enables the Dems and their behavior and doesn’t hold them accountable.

They know they can get away with just about anything because the MSM will cover their asses.


38 posted on 10/07/2011 4:10:48 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (To make a Conservative angry, tell him a lie. To make a Liberal angry, tell him the truth.)
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To: mylife

Looks like further tax cuts and removing regulations for the hardest hit areas economically.

http://www.hermancain.com/999plan

In other words, getting government out of the way even more.


39 posted on 10/07/2011 4:13:16 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Kartographer

Of course probably unlike the thread poster I have met RP. Even had my pic taken with him. We’re from the same town so the families know each other.
Really nice Guy..until the crazey kicks in.
And his then campaign manager was as shifty as they come.


40 posted on 10/07/2011 4:13:27 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt Thsese Constitution together as the loose sicianscrews of the Left fall out!)
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To: mnehring

VIVA LA MOCKUPATION!!!


41 posted on 10/07/2011 4:14:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: mnehring

I am thinking of making pop corn and waiting for JimRob to show up!


42 posted on 10/07/2011 4:14:54 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: mnehring

Sounds to me like select breaks for specific people.


43 posted on 10/07/2011 4:15:28 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mnehring

Apparently the original poster has a history with the Ron Paul camp.

I have serious issues with Ron Paul and consider him a fringer.

Still, I think Herman Cains fiscal plan has serious flaws.


44 posted on 10/07/2011 4:20:09 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kartographer
Maybe a Jewish Doctor proscribed them?

Nah, it's those damned Jewish plumbers Obama talked about!

45 posted on 10/07/2011 4:21:41 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: mylife

I feel a lot better when I see that both Art Laffer and Steve Forbes say the plan is strong, both in the fact it is a major net cut in taxes, but it also eliminates masses of bureaucracy involved in maintaining the current system- and it is a good step towards either a flat tax or fair tax.. you can’t make the latter happen over night but what you can do is take, as Reagan often said, an incremental approach.


46 posted on 10/07/2011 4:23:09 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mylife

Be truthful, you have problems with Cain mostly because he’s stealing Perry’s thunder.


47 posted on 10/07/2011 4:23:18 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: mnehring

If it’s good enough for Teve Torbes, it’s good enough for me.


48 posted on 10/07/2011 4:24:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mnehring

I have a few issues with the plan.
It would give me an effective tax rate of 17 3/4% on necessity’s, housing, food and drink.

That COULD be OK, if we had no capital gains and no Federal income tax, but I really get scared that Cain specifically calls on “THE” super committee to do the right thing.

It all hinges on 12 hand select ***holes


49 posted on 10/07/2011 4:29:47 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kartographer

I do think Herman should get the same level of vetting.
Don’t you?

Have I told any lies about the man?
I am only asking questions.


50 posted on 10/07/2011 4:31:38 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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