Posted on 09/14/2011 11:53:14 PM PDT by Sun
PERRY: (snip) it doesn't make any difference what the sound of your last name is. That is the American way. (snip)
BACHMANN: (snip) I think that the American way is not to give taxpayer subsidized benefits to people who have broken our laws or who are here in the United States illegally. That is not the American way.
(Excerpt) Read more at transcripts.cnn.com ...
"..it doesn't make any difference WHAT THE SOUND OF YOUR LAST NAME IS."
Is Perry insinuating that if we are against rewarding ILLEGALS, for breaking the law, we are racist?
Even many Hispanics are against ILLEGAL immigration. Are they racist, too?
While Perry wasn’t at the top of my list, he was at least half-way down, but this implication that those who are against ILLEGAL immigration are racist upset me.
This is Perry’s third rail.
He was talking about in-state tuition, not immigration.
I cannot support Perry for that reason, although I will support whoever is the nominee in the general election against Obama. But if Perry wins, it will be a short-term and pyrrhic victory because legalizing the illegals will give socialists the future margin of victory.
"Divisive language on the subject of border security and immigration reform is simply not constructive or useful in solving the problem. We cannot be a nation that is anti-immigrant because we are in fact a nation of immigrants."
This is beyond bleeding heart, when he makes a freudian slip, imo, that we, who don’t believe in giving tuition to ILLEGALS, are against it because of their last name.
My husband and I sponsor a Mexican child, so are we racist because we don’t want to reward illegal immigrants with tax-paid state tuition?
He was talking about giving tax dollars so ILLEGAL immigrants could have in-state tuition.
BUT this is old news. My problem is that Perry is playing the race card, just like the libDems do.
“But if Perry wins, it will be a short-term and pyrrhic victory because legalizing the illegals will give socialists the future margin of victory.”
That’s what people don’t seem to understand.
I’ll vote for anybody but Obama, too, but this is the primary season, and we better go over these candidates with a fine tooth comb, or we WILL have trouble down the line.
I don’t disagree with you entirely. I think he said it less to chastise those against the tuition thing than to broadcast “open for business” to Hispanics.
Immigration, just so you know, is not about immigrants anymore - it's about hispanics.
Remember George Bush wanted to create a "new America". Perry et al have picked up the mantle...(Maybe Jorge could have simply said he wanted to "transform America" instead)
| We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture. Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende. For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America. Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America. As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico. George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000. |
Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:
In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster
They know but don’t care.
Nothing wrong with tough questions and challenges to issues, but far too many posters specialize in below the belt punches.
That said, when I moved to Texas in 07 I was really put off that a family member had to pay non resident tuition while illegals paid in state.
The fact is that the few who did get in state tuition did not affect the rates we paid until we established residency.
This is one of those issues that I don’t necessarily agree with but understand why it was done—better to educate the kids of illegals than to have them continually on welfare.
----------- Perry could not have vetoed this bill even if he tried. 142-1 in favor in House....27-3 in favor in Senate.
Only 4 descending votes.
2/3 majority in Texas Legislature.
Pay attention people: Perry would not be able to stop this legislation under no circumstances what so ever!
These criticisms just reinforce the Democrat branding of the GOP and alienate minorities who perceive that they are not welcome in the party. Moreover, being branded as a “racist” political party hurts the GOP in recruiting new members, regardless of race or ethnicity. America is not a racist country and no one wants to be associated with a racist organization.
Perry is just following in the path of Bush, Rove, McCain, and Graham when it comes to demonizing conservatives who oppose their amnesty and in-state tution for illegal aliens.
In state tuition for illegal aliens is about immigration, the illegal kind. Why should taxpayers support illegal aliens who are prohibited by law from working in this country and for employrs to hire them. And illegal aliens are not eligible for the dole as Perry mentioned during the debates.
Thanks for the transcript. I’ve been looking for this excellent answer.
SANTORUM: I think we need to hear what Governor Perry’s saying. He’s saying that his policy was right. He believes that what he did was right. He thinks he went about it the wrong way.
I believe your policy is wrong. Why — ladies and gentlemen, why do we inoculate people with vaccines in public schools? Because we’re afraid of those diseases being communicable between people at school. And therefore, to protect the rest of the people at school, we have vaccinations to protect those children.
Unless Texas has a very progressive way of communicating diseases in their school by way of their curriculum, then there is no government purpose served for having little girls inoculated at the force and compulsion of the government. This is big government run amok. It is bad policy, and it should not have been done.
By law, illegal aliens cannot work in this country nor can employers hire them. They are not entitled to welfare benefits unless the children were born here, which makes them American citizens thru birthright citizenship. If that is the case, there is no issue. So why should we be using taxpayer money to educate illegals at the college level? This is the Dream Act at the state level.
In-state tuition benefits for illegals in Texas are are being challenged in the courts, Immigration Reform Coalition of Texas v. State of Texas (University of Houston), and there were bills in the state legislature this session to repeal it.
The lawsuit claims the state law violates the federal Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, which “prohibits states from providing a postsecondary education benefit to an alien not lawfully present in the United States on the basis of residence unless any U.S. citizen or national is eligible for the same benefit.”
Every one dollar you make available to an illegal immigrant is one dollar you are not giving to one of your citizens. To grant illegal immigrants in-state tuition rates directly discriminates against non-resident U.S. citizens from surrounding states. That is a direct violation of the equal protection clause. From the legal challenge:
However, the Texas Legislature has never affirmatively provided for such eligibility through the enactment of a state law. See House Bill 1403 (enrolled version attached hereto as Exhibit B) and Senate Bill 1528 (enrolled version attached hereto as Exhibit C).
28. No Texas statute enacted before or after August 22, 1996 specifies that an illegal alien, illegal immigrant, undocumented alien, undocumented immigrant, or “alien who is not lawfully present in the United States” is eligible for resident tuition or state financial aid.
So that shouldn’t stop a veto. Perry agreed with the bill. In-state tuition is being challenged in the courts and there was a repeal effort in the state legislature this past session.
Yes, he is—and it’s disgusting.
The ROOT problem here, at least in Texas, is that the Federal Government via the Supreme Court forces us to educate the kids of illegals among other things.
But the Federal Government will not secure the border.
It’s a mix bag for me because I understand both sides of the issue. Being a Texan, I see Mexican kids who were brought here by their parents from Mexico illegally and many have been here for more in their life than in Mexico. Many do not even relate to Mexico. They consider themselves Texans because they grew up here and went to school here most of their lives.
Here is something also to think about: Many of these kids of illegals who go to college and graduate are not able to get jobs if they have not completed their citizenship.
This whole issue involves 1% or less of the entire higher education students in Texas Universities. We are talking about 8K to 12K students. There were 8,406 undocumented students enrolled in community college and technical schools, 3,735 in public universities and 7 in health related institutes in the fall semester of 2009.
Reminder too that are no perks. They have to pay unless they applied and got a grant.
There was over $27 million paid in tuition and fees in the year 2009 to Institutions & Universities by students who filed the affidavits in Texas.
Also of note is that there are 12 states that have this in-state tuition law.
California, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, Washington and Wisconsin.
I just feel like this is not an issue to stop someone from beating Obama in the 2012 election. That is the goal.
Worrying about approx 12K kids of illegals getting a lower tuition rate (which they have to pay) seems silly to me.
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