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TTAG Called It: ATF-Enabled 50 Cal Implicated in Drug Thug Chopper Shoot
The Truth About Guns ^ | June 2, 2011 | Robert Farago

Posted on 06/02/2011 8:19:16 PM PDT by neverdem

Back on February 11th, TTAG pointed out the insanity that was the ATF’s decision to allow 50 caliber rifles walk across the border as part of Operation Fast and Furious. “Senator Grassley recently released documents showing that one of the ATF's stooges, the man who bought the weapons used to kill Agent Terry, purchased two .50 caliber rifles. The main, perhaps only reason Mexican drug gangs would want a .50 caliber rifle: to take out a truck. Or a helicopter. Now you could say .50 caliber rifles don't take out armored personnel carriers or choppers, drug smugglers do. And you'd be right. But if we believe that people should be held accountable for their actions, then we must hold ourselves, and our federal employees, to the same standard.” And now examiner.com reports that a recent chopper shoot involves an ATF-enabled fiddy . . .

The downing of a Mexican military helicopter and a shoot-out in the Mexican state of Jalisco that left 11 people dead and dozens of weapons seized could be linked to the controversial Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious, according to congressional sources who spoke to this column late yesterday on condition of anonymity . . .

The problem, sources say, is that Mexican authorities have not yet provided any trace data on the seized guns. At least one of the firearms is reportedly a .50-caliber rifle. One source observed in frustration, "Who knows if we can get trace data to trace (the rifle) back?"

Sources say Mexican authorities have been reluctant to talk about the case with U.S. authorities, apparently because of the helicopter downing. Mexican authorities have been insisting that the helicopter was not downed by gunfire, but came down because of mechanical problems.

As we’ve said since the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ Gunwalker scandal first hit, the Gunwalker scandal is only one part in a bigger cluster-you-know-what, involving duplicitous American foreign policy and, at its heart, enormous financial corruption.

The MSM should be pulling on these threads. And they are, a bit. if they do, I’m down with Brad on this one: there’s enough dirt here to bring down the Obama administration. Whether it will is an entirely different matter.

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Robert Farago is the Publisher and Managing Editor of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). He started the site to explore the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns.


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1 posted on 06/02/2011 8:19:21 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
>"there’s enough dirt here to bring down the Obama administration."

That would explain. Libya, Dons amazing BC Circus, The Forged BC Release, OBL and the Forty Versions.

All the last 6 mo activity has been to sweep the legs out of this story.

Eric and peeps attempt to undermine the Constitution (TREASON) kills American Troops, and arms Mexican Terrorists (Act of WAR against Mexico)!


Not looking pretty for the BHO and friends!

2 posted on 06/02/2011 8:41:31 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: neverdem

Grassley isn’t serious. If he were he could expose this entire debacle in less than 30 days.


3 posted on 06/02/2011 8:43:11 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

Agree 100%


4 posted on 06/02/2011 8:58:13 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: Lurker

It’s not that Grassley isn’t serious - it’s that he’s just not very bright, as he has amply demonstrated lo these many years that he has taken up space in Washington.

Bright enough to get elected from Iowa, maybe, but really... How bright does THAT require one to be?


5 posted on 06/02/2011 9:01:11 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Lurker; B4Ranch; Redbob
Grassley isn’t serious. If he were he could expose this entire debacle in less than 30 days.

Grassley vows to block nominees until he gets answers on gun sales

Grassley is doing about as much as he can do in the minority. Justice is dragging its feet saying that they have investigations to persue. Issa has subpoena power in the House.

I don't want them to go too fast. I want to see Holder and Hillary impeached next year.

Ranking Member Grassley Presses Holder for Timely Response to Questions, Reiterates Unanswered Requests

Grassley said he wanted to reiterate his hearing questions for the record in a letter because of the timely nature of his oversight work on Operation Fast and Furious. He said that generally, the Department of Justice takes at least five to eight months to respond to Questions for the Record.

6 posted on 06/02/2011 9:30:00 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

LOL Impeached? Nobody is going to be impeached no matter what they do. This is 2011 not 1911. Those days of integrity are long gone, my friend.


7 posted on 06/02/2011 9:44:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: B4Ranch

This isn’t some ethics charge or minor BS. There are two dead federal agents with Gun Walker firearms found at the crime scenes. If they had ruled out that those weapons were not the murder weapons, we would have heard that already, IMHO.


8 posted on 06/02/2011 10:23:03 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Joe Brower; neverdem

The saga continues...


9 posted on 06/03/2011 12:25:38 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
10 posted on 06/03/2011 3:47:45 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Lurker

Grassley is very serious about this case. But, he’s also a politician and will work this case to have the biggest impact possible on the elections next year.

This case isn’t going away and it will be a major political factor in the next presidential election. I’m perfectly content to let Grassley and Issa do exactly that to force the Dems to have to deal with what they’ve done and do so before the voters.


11 posted on 06/03/2011 5:37:43 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: neverdem

I know that and you know that but we are not amongst the anointed ones who have the US Government Holder Protection Shield above them which says, “Thou shall not officially embarrass me or my people without my permission!”.


12 posted on 06/03/2011 6:30:47 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: Joe Brower

Defund the ATF...now!!

Be Ever Vigilant!!


13 posted on 06/03/2011 10:47:58 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie

http://www.majorityleader.gov/youcut/

Down at the bottom of the page, you can suggest just that.

I’ve suggested we shut BATF down entirely. Defunding them would be a good start.


14 posted on 06/03/2011 6:05:00 PM PDT by Old Student
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To: Old Student

You take away their funding and they die!


15 posted on 06/04/2011 8:13:57 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: neverdem

These are probably the weapons they were calling 50 Cal Machine guns a few weeks ago.....talking like they are M2HBs but in reality Bushie 50s or Barretts if they had the bucks.


16 posted on 06/04/2011 8:16:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

We must stop the proliferation of these deadly .50 caliber weapons!

17 posted on 06/04/2011 8:21:38 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Flag_This

sharps?


18 posted on 06/04/2011 8:24:10 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Got the name from the image.....300 Buffalo....


19 posted on 06/04/2011 8:26:10 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
"sharps?"

That's what I thought, but I can't say with "certitude."

Here's the page the photo came from: www.lonestarrifle.com/BuffRifle.html

20 posted on 06/04/2011 8:39:28 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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