Posted on 05/04/2011 5:26:05 AM PDT by ExtremePatriot
Orly Taitz, Esq. and Gary Kreep, Esq., argue before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to have Barnett, Keyes et al v. Obama and Drake, Robinson v. Obama be heard and discovery granted. Orly does a fantastic job. Kreep helps.
The first judge, attempting to narrow down remedy, was joined by the female judge in bringing the discussion around in a circle questioning Kreep’s standing since the clients he represents didn’t file claim until AFTER the election. Insisting ANY client opposing Obama in the next election can bring a case BEFORE the next election because the opponent would then have standing. (??? that’s NOT what the lower courts have said!) If I understand this, Kreep’s case is attempting to establish exactly “WHO” is qualified to have “STANDING” to challenge Obama’s eligibility now and in the future. These judges are talking in cirlces. Insanity.
It’s the old addage, what came first the chicken or the egg?
When addressing standing the Lady Judge said, I think of an ordinary citizen's ability to gain it, "Unfortunately, that's not the law." I'm not sure standing is actually law. I think it's more procedure and/or precedent which isn't quite the same thing. Perhaps someone who knows more about this than I would chime in, and whether it makes a difference in these cases. (I.e., how bound is the judge to follow the rules of standing?)
As to the question of before, during, or after, and what remedies can be sought, I wish someone would have used horse racing as an analogy. Every race has conditions of eligibility. (The simplest example is that the Derby is for three year-old horses only.) Beyond the conditions for a single race, there are rules that govern all races in a particular jurisdiction: the horse, owner, trainer and jockey all have to be registered, the horse may not be given certain medications for a set period of time before the race, etc.
Sometimes a horse is entered who isn't eligible; and the stewards reject the entry. Sometimes a horse fails a pre-race drug test and is scratched. And then the race is run, some horse wins, the winning bettors are paid, and the purse is distributed to the top finishers in the race. Maybe the winning owner gets a trophy or a julep cup. After that the winner comes under increased scrutiny for additional drugs or drugs that take a longer time to detect. If this winner is found, post hoc, to not have been eligible, he is declared to have been ineligible. Not everything can be set right after the fact, but the things that can be set right are. There is no way to recover the money from the winning bettors so they don't even try. But they do redistribute the purse money and the owner of the disgraced horse has to give back the julep cup if he got one. Sometimes the trainer or the jockey (who might have been found to have illegally stimulated the horse with an electrical device) are suspended or banned from racing entirely.
Orly Taitz has her rough edges, and I'll admit that I am predisposed to like her, but I thought her argument was the best. The judges, who asked pretty good questions I thought, had few questions for her.
And the government guy could have just presented the "birth certificate" Obama released last week. But for some reason he did not.
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I had to turn it off when the female judge started talking.
She wasn't so bad.
Watch the whole thing.
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i think orly taitz did an excellent job, which was surprising since i’ve only seen her pitted against the likes of the MSM libs. she presented her case very clearly. the judges, especially the one on the left seemed to listen with interest.
on the other hand, i can tell right now that kreep’s case is weak. he himself seemed weak and was not prepared to answer the woman judge’s basic question about standing. he seemed all over the place. for instance she asked him what differentiates his client from any other person and he couldn’t answer it.
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