What's Obama's Birther Legal Bill?

Mother Jones ^ | 1-26-10 | Stephanie Mencimer

[rxsid]

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

 

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

 

http://www.jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com

 

Furthermore:  Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) allowed baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaii birth certificate.

[jamese777]

If I had to guess, I would think the entire Obama birther legal bill is less than $10,000 and most of that is probably travel costs for DOJ attorneys. (And travel/coffee costs for the Attorney General who to fly from California to Georgia in order to “fix” one of the cases...in a coffee shop).

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Yep. The million six hundred thousand dollar figure was the bill for ALL Obama campaign related legal expenses not just for legal expenses related to Obama’s birth certificate.
Only three out of 62 Obama eligibility suits had any legal work done by Obama related lawyers and that work was filing briefs to support summary dismissals.

[jamese777]

Obama paid lawyers in 3 of 64 lawsuits?

Just wondering: How much did it cost Obama and/or the Democratic Party to pay lawyers in those 3 cases mentioned above?

I bet it cost more than the $10 it would have cost Obama to get a copy of his Hawaii long form birth certificate-—the one with the doctor signature and the hospital name-—and show it to the American people.

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Except the state of Hawaii no longer issues long form birth certificates to anybody, ever. The Certification of Live Birth is now the official birth document of the state of Hawaii since 2001.
Read it and weep, “Born Identity”:
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

[TheBigJ]

WRONG.

This excuse was debunked here by BP2 (his posting):

HRS §338, HRS §538, Hawaii Family Court rules & other state statutes require the Original Birth Certificate be available for — among other reasons — review by a Family Court Judge for Adoption & other Juvenile cases, which may come up years or decades after a child is born.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0016.htm

§338-16 (c) Such evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.

§338-21 (b) The evidence upon which the new original certificate is made, and the superseded original certificate shall be sealed and filed and may be opened only upon order of a court of record.

One can obtain the Long-Form “CertificATE of Live Birth” for $10:
http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/RequestaLongformCOLBforDHHL.jpg

[little jeremiah]

I never read any of their comments any more; haven’t for months and months. It would be interesting to do a poll and find out how many regular aka “normal” and conservative freepers just see some of those all-to-familiar names and skip over them.

Life’s short. Why read crap lies? Unless pulverizing them or putting them in their place.

[TheBigJ]

David mentioned Zero’s also been represented by...

Kirkland & Ellis out of Chicago, Williams and Conley in D.C., Mayer, Brown & Platt...

with conservative costs estimate $5 million.

[jamese777]

If you click on your own link you’ll see that the wording has changed in the statute.

Is Barack Hussein Obama II applying to be adopted?

Anyone using the form in your second link will be sent the short form Certification of Live Birth. Don’t you think that the internet and the nation would be flooded with conservatives posting their Hawaii long forms if they could still get copies today?

[LucyT]

. . . . Update at #106.

[Thanks, TheBigJ.]

[TheBigJ]

Wrong.

Wrong.

And the next old excuse will be “all the certificates of live birth went electronic, none exist.”

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Filling out the Request for Certified Copy Form will get you a Certificate of Live Birth as stated on DHHL as of June 2009:

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/LoaaKaAinaHoopulapula-DHHLrequirest.jpg

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/LoaaKaAinaHoopulapula-DHHLrequir-1.jpg

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/LoaaKaAinaHoopulapula-DHHLrequir-2.jpg

Don’t you think by now someone in the realm of Barry’s universe would have come forward with what Hawaiian hospital he was born in?

[El Gato]

Most recently, birther attorneys have represented car dealers who charge that Obama is a phony president who lacked the authority to order a restructuring of Chrysler that they say cost them their businesses.

Even a legitimate President doesn't have that power.

[votemout]

The problems on the issue are not created by birthers or wackos or anyone else but the person who holds the most powerful office in thwe world and who refuses to provide information about himself. Whether he has spent $25,000 or $2 million is is indicative of his arrogance and scorn for the electorate.

[TheBigJ]

More than a year later and many of us have our own mini Obama-files. Quite fascinating the sheer amount of clues which — if modern journalism was alive today — we’d have exposes by 60 Minutes and 20/20.

I’ve noticed a lot more people are now aware of the eligibility issue as they see deceit and lies in public office and wonder if it continues behind the veil propped up by the media. They need to know it’s real and as we know, Barry was born in Kenya. Berg said last nite he estimated 20 million people were aware, and if the number grew to 100 million it could have major sway.

Regardless for some, the rules will be changed again with their relativism and liberal theology, “It doesn’t matter where he’s born!” Or even: “It’s not Barry’s fault. It was the system that failed.” Illusion. With ill as it’s prefix and therefore a state of insanity.

[pissant]

You are not only a “robert” plant, you are an Obama plant. Get lost, troll boy.

[El Gato]

I’d like to know why is it that after 60+ suits that go no where,

Maybe when one of them gets to the point of looking at the evidence, rather than dismissing the case based on "standing" or "justicibility" or "jurisdiction", and then finds the suit to be without merit, you might have a point. But not until then.

[El Gato]

Theory?.... Wuz he wuz, or wuz he not, "adopted" by his Indonesian Step Father?

Doesn't matter. A child either is a natural born citizen at birth or he is not. A parent's action, including adoption, cannot change that status.

Of course it requires birth in country, or in it's armies or diplomatic corps, and two citizen parents. We know, from his own writing (or Bill Ayers?) and the COLB, if it's legit, that he fails on the second test. He may fail on the first as well.

Well wuz he?

Without seeing his long form birth certificate, no way to know. Even then the form might only show a name change to "Obama", without saying what it was changed from.

However there is some evidence, in the form of the divorce papers from his mother's second marriage to Sotero, which list a child over 18 that needs educational support, as well as his half sister Maya. That implies that he was adopted, but does not prove it. The same is true of the Indonesian school registration which shows his name as Sotero and his religion as "Muslim". But it's equally possible that his stepfather lied on that form, because otherwise he'd not have been able to attend school in Indonesia (didn't have to be Muslim, IIRC, but you did have to be an Indonesian citizen).

[Kenny Bunk]

.......birther attorneys have represented car dealers ...

Donofrio hardly fits the bill as a "Birther" attorney.

[butterdezillion]

If a person does a UIPA request for their own original, long-form birth certificate - even including the confidential portion - the DOH is required to send it to them, since HRS 338-18(a) refers to DOH rules authorizing disclosures, the rules authorize the release of certified copies of certificates, and UIPA says that if a document is authorized for release it MUST be released upon request.

They can say they don’t print this out until they’re blue in the face, but they have to obey their own rules and UIPA. There’s a place in the statutes where it says that even if a department says they’ve changed the rules, if they haven’t gone through the proper procedure to change the rules it doesn’t matter what they say; the old rules are still in effect. I’ve asked, and the rules which authorize the release of certificates has not been duly repealed or amended.

So they’re lying through their teeth.

[butterdezillion]

That is the part that leaves me feeling so helpless and hopeless. We’ve been able to document tons of stuff, but realistically speaking, what will ever come of it? There is no avenue through which the people can ensure that the law is enforced.

I think maybe the route we need to use is to inform Congress of the facts. They do have the ability to force an investigation, I think. Of course, I think somebody already has requested an FBI investigation and last I knew the FBI hadn’t done anything on it.

[El Gato]

Part two is that he is not born of two US citizens (under their completely made-up theory of what a natural born citizen is).

Completely made up?

What about this 1758 treatise on natural law that was the most cited such work, more so than Blackstone's commentaries, in the first decades of the Republic? (The original was in French, but many of the founders, Jefferson, Washington, Jay, and of course Ben Franklin, could read French, so they did not need the English translations.

Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui son nes dans le pays, de parents citoyens(diacritical marks left off)

Or in English, with some more of the translation for context. (It was painful typing in the French, but you can view it here)

§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

Note than in the French the section 212 title is "Des citoyens et naturels." Which would really translate as "The Citizens and naturals or natural born citizens".

The work is of course " THE LAW OF NATIONS OR PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF NATURE APPLIED TO THE CONDUCT AND AFFAIRS OF NATIONS AND SOVEREIGNS FROM THE FRENCH OF MONSIEUR DE VATTEL."

You see "nature" "natural born". The "born in the country is enough" (actually born in the King's lands) criteria for Natural Born Subject, was of course set down by the Kings and Queens, whose interest was to have lots of subjects, very few of which stood a chance in hell of becoming King or Queen.

But I guess some birther invented a time machine, went back to 1750s Germany (Vattel was Swiss but was working in what is now Germany) and convinced him to write that, just to legitimize B.H. Obama. The racist bastid!

[El Gato]

Don’t you think that the internet and the nation would be flooded with conservatives posting their Hawaii long forms if they could still get copies today?

Not today, but up until the middle of last summer they could and some did.

Strangely enough, the Department of Hawaiian Home lands website had instructions in how to obtain the long form certificate, up until that time. They preferred it, and it saved the applicant time and hassle, since the short form does not contain sufficient information for their purposes.

But of course, you knew that.

BTW, I discovered that change *before* I read about on WND, or anywhere else.