Posted on 11/09/2009 4:04:32 PM PST by ikeonic
It's time for a policy change in the American military. "Don't ask, don't tell" may have seemed like a good compromise in 1993 but makes no sense in a post 9/11 world where the average soldier worries far more about getting fragged by an al Qaeda sympathizer in their platoon than whether their bunkmate is a little light in their government issued boots.
This report from ABC news should make your jaw drop:
U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News. According to the officials, the Army was informed of Hasan's contact, but it is unclear what, if anything, the Army did in response.Joe Lieberman is appropriately jumping to conclusions and demanding answers despite our dear Leader's warning not to. Yes, Obama only advocates jumping to conclusions when saying that a white cop "acted stupidly".
On Sunday, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.Sorry, President Obama, I'm going to jump to conclusions here and I agree 100% with Joe Lieberman."If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance," Lieberman told Fox News Sunday.
In my opinion, any soldier who professes sympathy for the enemy or tries to contact the enemy should be immediately dishonorably discharged. If the Army was squeamish about kicking Hasan out when he practically begged to be kicked out, something is wrong and there needs to be a full investigation of Army policy.
If we've tolerated "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" for 16 years, surely we can justify swiftly discharging terrorist sympathizers within the ranks. Last I checked, there haven't been any terrorist attacks by gay or lesbian soldiers. To quote Barry Goldwater, "You don't need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight [at the enemy, that is.]"
It's time to scrap "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". The gay and lesbian people of the world are not at war with America. But radical, extreme Islam is most certainly at war with America and the military should not tolerate anyone who openly sympathizes with the enemy. Besides, does anyone really think any soldier at Fort Hood's biggest fear is getting fragged by a gay or lesbian?
Only the most homophobic person would conclude that gays in the military pose a greater threat than the next Hasan who comes unhinged and puts his extremist beliefs into action. Besides, allowing gays and lesbians serve in the military might serve as a deterrent to radical jihadis like Hasan since they openly hate gays. Muslim countries routinely condemn gays to death. Do we really care if the imams in Iran will hate us more if we allow gays in the military? They'll chant "Death to America! Death to Israel!" no matter what we do so it's silly to try to appease them in any way.
So I call on the military to give gays and lesbians a chance to serve. Kick the terrorist sympathizers out.
Sounds like another attempt by the gay and lesbian sympathizers and advocates at utilizing an horrific event to justify allowing gay and lesbians into the military, but hey, that is just my opinion.....
NO!
Radical leftists, and this includes most “gay activists” are a far greater danger to America than radical islamists.
In the fight against terrorism we don’t need the help of the corruptors of our society.
NO!
Radical leftists, and this includes most “gay activists” are a far greater danger to America than radical islamists.
In the fight against terrorism we don’t need the help of the corruptors of our society.
I can see it now.
A Regiment in pink camo will come and redecorate their caves and nag them crazy until they give.
BTW you do know that homosexuals are allowed to serve in the military, as long as they don’t parade their perversion?
“Don’t ask, don’t tell.”
Fragged or frigged. And a lousy C-I-C to boot. Sad times for our valiant soldiers.
Oh, never let a good crisis go to waste, eh?
I read that Hasan refused to be photographed with women.
How come the NOW crowd wasn’t all over that?
Does the US govt have a hierarchy of PC related exemptions with muzzies at the top?
This DOES put things in a different perspective for me. A West Point grad could be summarily, dishonorably discharged for having a ‘boyfriend’ (information turned in by fellow soldiers) but in the uber PC of today, Dr. Hasan can argue with his patients (what psychiatric care? Convert infidel!!!); spew threats (infidels should have their throats slashed; burning oil poured on them, etc); publicly question the policy of the US govern (no free speech in the military!) and his superiors can be warned of his threatening, menacing behavior...and Hasan gets promoted and entrusted with his fellow soldiers well being...but a Gay is the real threat?
No.
All Americans need to ban together (and the Gays have more than the rest of us to fear under Shari’a law) and fight the ‘fifth column.’
Well, using that logic, we should kick all radical leftists out of the military instead of just gays and lesbians who are radical leftists (not ALL are, you know).
Further, using your logic, what if FDR had kicked all racists out of the military during World War II? Weren't we better off unifying against the real enemy in Hitler, imperial Japan and Mussolini and saving the fight against segregation, racism and communism for another day? You can't fight all of your enemies at once. You have to pick the greatest threat of all and attack it with everything you've got. We won World War II because we didn't allow ourselves to get distracted from the immediate threat that had to be dealt with. Radical Islam is the immediate threat that we must deal with. Any soldier who doesn't agree with that statement should be kicked out of the military.
A Regiment in pink camo will come and redecorate their caves and nag them crazy until they give.
Queer Eye for the Jihadi Guy?
HUH
Enlist homosexuals, NOT
Having served then I can only come to the conclusion that the writer of this piece has no concept of how the military is.
Believe me I know of not one person who is still serving or has left who thinks they would like to share a bunk or a shower with a homosexual.
I’ have heard of some daft argument for homos but this is the most outrageous yet.
How about getting rid of fanatics and homosexuals seeing as most homosexuals are fanatics when it comes ot their perverted ways
Exactly. Its how left wingers work. They demagogue their way to getting their policies implemented.
Having an immoral army will not let us win this war.
Wouldn’t it be great to see an Islamofascist die at the hands of a homosexual?
Interesting priorities.
nail on head
What kind of a stupid argument is this for homosexuals
a stupid one it seems.
Having served I do not want some homosexuals in the same shower as me or even in the same room to see him bring his homo pervert in.
the world is going mad
Not going to happen. This country is divided between socialists and conservatives. The socialist part is the greatest threat and they are willing to sacrifice all they have and lick the boots of every enemy we have, in order to bring this country down.
We can wait a loooong time, if we want to "ally" ourselves with the radical left.
Not going to happen.
We finally need to realize that the left doesn't work on logic. They don't care that their lifestyle is hated by radical islamists. They only have their anti-American agenda at mind. Nothing else counts.
And when the Islamofacist gets to paradise, 72 virgin gay sheep will be waiting for him. BAAAAAAHHHHHH! :)
again nail on head
get rid of all radicals and call a spade a spade instead of this PC crap.
Most common sense gays and lesbians already know Islam is not their friend, and would do more harm to them than any Christian would.
Yes, we should!
They pledged to defend the Constitution!
Being a radical leftist means being an enemy of the Constitution. Communists have nothing lost in the military.
Right on target!
I agree.
I think this was written tongue in cheek ... so to speak.
Realism.
The loss of lives due to islamist terrorism is appalling and horrible. But islamism is NOT what is tearing down the US from within, turning it into a socialist sink with corrupt robber-barons taking away our liberties, massmurdering babies in the womb and eradicating our traditions and culture.
That's the work of radical leftism within America.
Not to mention that they are more or less allied with islamist terrorists and tyrants.
The suggestion that we can form a coalition with the radical left against islamist radicalism is ridiculous already on the surface.
I'm certainly not going to throw all gays and lesbians in one lump group because their sexual behavior, etc. Just as I won't put all Muslims in the same radical Jihadist group either. Just as I won't throw all Christians in the same group as the fools who bomb abortion clinics.
Radicalism is the enemy, period. Radicalism on the left, and radicalism on the right.
But they look like boy and girl scouts compared to radical Islam. To even suggest that the 'gay agenda' is a bigger danger to America than radical Islam is, quite frankly, moronic and ignorant.
I think its more of a ‘stopped clock is right twice a day’ mind set, than a ‘we become libs and they become conservative.’ I see (from different sources) a ‘wake up call’ that there very well IS a Fifth Column, operating inside of our own government...and that the policies of same will get alot of us (straight, gay, conservative, liberal) killed.
The lame stream media as over stepped. Obama mis-calculated, and alot of people know what they saw on live, raw news feeds last Thursday...and now know what is being reported...and can universally (dispite other differences) see that we COLLECTIVELY are being lied to. Hasan’s faith IS NOT the religion of peace (no matter how many times it is repeated by the media and politicians). We are even being told NOT to judge this as terror. We are not the only ones to see this as a lie...
Can someone explain to me why someone’s love of anal sex and cunnilingus needs to be known? Political correctness is what allowed Hasan to stay in the military.
Where in the world do you get the idea that one has anything at all to do with the other?
Our troops are already demoralized by BS rules of engagement that seem designed to get them killed and a (rt btrd) commander in chief who obviously thinks golf is more important than them. Now, because PC run amok in our military allowed a terrorist act to happen here on one of our bases (another good morale booster, that!) you think it’s high time to force our troops to ignore dropped soap?
“Hey they can’t hate us any more than they already do, let the gays into the military!” - You can take this warped sideways logic over to DU where it has a home.
They pledged to defend the Constitution!
Being a radical leftist means being an enemy of the Constitution. Communists have nothing lost in the military.
I have no love for radicals of any political stripe, but if the military develops a litmus test for radical leftists, the Left will insist on a similar litmus test for the radical right and now you're on a very slippery slope.
I'll just say that we should all agree that anyone who openly sympathizes with the enemy should get the boot. Whether gays serve or not isn't that important to me, but I'm tired of this PC crap that says we can't call radical Islam what it is and remove the cancer wherever we find it.
However, I'm all for dropping pink camo paratroopers in Tehran. It would be like Jesse Owens at the Berlin Olympics.
This is like saying that because your engine broke down, it’s time to remove the brakes so you can go faster.
See my post above. I do not suggest that the “gay agenda” is the biggest threat to America. The overall radical leftist agenda is.
You certainly have noticed that I take care to write “radical leftists” and “radical islamists”, instead of lumping together every left-of-center voter or average Muslim together with the extremists. And yes there are also nuts and extremists on the right and within the “Judeo-Christian” ranks.
It can hardly be denied that the agenda of radical leftism has been historically and presently the most harmful force for America’s interests, power, way of life and liberty.
I agree that radicalism of all kind is the enemy, but I put Islam at the top. Radical Islam uses radical leftism as their means to gain acceptance, then immediately turns on the very tolerance that allowed them freedom. Its everywhere in Europe, particularly in GB and France. I'm actually surprised that France is realizing the err of their ways.
Let's scrap "Don't ask, don't tell."
Wow, that's one hell of an argument!
(rolls eyes)
You are correct.
Perhaps I should have argued that our military leadership is in sad shape when Colonel Jessup didn't order a Code Red against Hasan months ago. Instead, they ignored the evidence that Hasan was a radical jihadi and worried more about whether soldiers at Fort Hood were missing their horns.
Either way, the point is the same. The U.S. Army ought not to tolerate any sympathy for the enemy within the ranks. Gay soldiers who force themselves on other soldiers will be dealt with just the same as male soldiers who force themselves on female soldiers, but letting some nut like Hasan stay in the Army is not a chance they should ever, ever take.
P.S. I'm waiting for someone to say what a RINO loon Barry Goldwater, Mr. Conservative, was. I'm shocked it hasn't happened yet...
Who, exactly, is suggesting that? Gays are not bared from the military.
As for the dangers, while it is silly to equate the two of them, how many Americans are dead because of our politically correct response to aids, and how many are dead because of our politically correct response to Islam?
Should we actually be using our stupidity in one arena to try to justify acting stupidly in another?
When that flight attendant w/ the lovely blue skin splotches was flying all over the country deliberately infecting as many people as possible it was an act of love - just like Ft. Hood.
And before anyone goes off, no I’m not suggesting that gays are dangerous extremists the likes of the psycho-chiatrist. I’m saying the gay agenda and the Muslim agenda are BOTH dangerous and will take this country to places we do not want to go. To not recognize that is, quite frankly, moronic and ignorant.
WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!
ROFLMAO!
yOU are creative!!!
Amen!
To even suggest that the 'gay agenda' is a bigger danger to America than radical Islam is, quite frankly, moronic and ignorant.
(the underlined segment was omitted in the post)
Although, quite frankly, if I had written this I would be relieved if someone had posted it incorrectly.
Anti-Obama Sarcasm Torpedo ARMED.
Obama's fault: "To the Muslims, I say, uhh..., that I will blow them, should the ...um, political winds shift in an ugly direction." /sarc>
Cheers!
You need to re-read what I wrote, in my original posts and subsequent ones. No one is denying radicalism is a threat. But to even suggest the radical gay agenda is even remotely close to radical Islam is insane, moronic and ignorant.
...oh. Don't tell me *that's* what happened to Mullah Omar.
Cheers!
Why bother waiting to enlist them? /sarc> Cheers!
Agreed
everyone in the military I know and vets including me are fed up of the PC crap and now they want us to see open homosexuals skipping around or seeing two guys fooling around in the shower
well no chance, moral is already low because of how this POS is treating us and having homosexuals in will only make it worse.
Only a person who has not been in the service would argue for something like this or someone who is a pervert
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