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Do Coercive Utopians Care If You Like Them?
politicalvanguard.com ^ | 8/19/09 | Thomas Del Beccaro

Posted on 08/19/2009 8:23:44 AM PDT by usflagwaver

According to Thomas Jefferson, “When the government fears the people, there is Liberty. When the people fear the government, there is Tyranny." If you can imagine a continuum between such Liberty and Tyranny, where exactly do you believe America is today?

Now I know that the American Left will tell you that thoughts of tyranny or too much government control is nothing more than hyperbole. With intensity at least as great as those protesting the growth in government, Obama, Pelosi, the Democrat National Committee go to great lengths to convince us all that the Tea Parties and Townhalls are not representative of America’s attitude toward the policies of Obama, Nancy Pelsosi, or Harry Reid.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: coercive; utopians

1 posted on 08/19/2009 8:23:44 AM PDT by usflagwaver
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To: usflagwaver
I am somewhat familiar with government capabilities.

For the first lime, I now fear this government because of its retaliatory themes, tax penalties being imposed, hostility toward business and profit, surveillance of phones and internet, and persecution of anyone with an opposite opinion.

2 posted on 08/19/2009 8:32:35 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama - The wolf in the suit.)
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To: usflagwaver
Obama, Pelosi, the Democrat National Committee go to great lengths to convince us all that the Tea Parties and Townhalls are not representative of America’s attitude toward the policies of Obama, Nancy Pelsosi, or Harry Reid.

CBS Golf Analyst David Feherty: “From my own experience visiting the troops in the Middle East, I can tell you this, though: despite how the conflict has been portrayed by our glorious media, if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Osama bin Laden, there’s a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death."
3 posted on 08/19/2009 8:34:24 AM PDT by flowerplough (You're going to destroy my presidency! -Bammy, quoted secondhand by Chuck Grassley)
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To: usflagwaver
“Coercive Utopians”,...perfect description of the Dim Dhims and their perfect denial and evasion of any kind of pragmatic reality and common sense. They're all self-righteous, condescending fascists and control freaks.
4 posted on 08/19/2009 8:37:52 AM PDT by garyhope ( It's world war IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islamofascism.)
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To: usflagwaver
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

-- C.S. Lewis

5 posted on 08/19/2009 8:41:29 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: usflagwaver
What's "like" got to do with it?
6 posted on 08/19/2009 8:42:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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7 posted on 08/19/2009 8:51:40 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: usflagwaver
Congressman Weiner says that health care is not a commodity. If health care is not a commodity then doctors and nurses are not free and sovereign citizens. If health care is a right then health care workers are slaves who must serve that right for the sick and injured. If health care is a basic human right, as Weiner says, then no health care worker can refuse to provide it, for any reason, because that would violate the patient's rights.

That means that the health care providers have no individual rights. The collective right of the people to get health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set their fees, their hours or change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it supersedes the individual rights of others.

It may not be stated in any of the bills that patient's rights to care supersede a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights are always adjudicated in the courts. The legislation simply establishes the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the patient's collective right to care.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. His view is the underlying philosophy of the entire Health Care Reform legislation the House and Senate have put forth. Consider the setting up of community watch dogs to monitor various health parameters of citizens in the Senate version of the bill. Look at pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS

Even the citizens themselves will be subject to state set regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the human right of universal health care. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights?

8 posted on 08/19/2009 9:31:04 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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“Do Coercive Utopians Care If You Like Them?”

No. If fact, they don’t care about you, whether you are alive or dead.


9 posted on 08/19/2009 11:27:41 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism = organized crime)
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