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If Canada's System is So Great, Then Why...
Publius Forum ^ | 07/02/09 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 07/02/2009 6:38:08 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

The left continually holds up the Canadian socialized healthcare system as the best example, one we should strive to emulate. But as each week passes we find more and more reason to doubt the panacea in the Great White North.

Last week news came out that Canada forced an infant to flee its country and into our own to get life saving treatment. A baby was born 13 weeks premature in Ontario, Canada but there were no neonatal intensive care beds open for the child there...

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: canada; healthcare; obama
We need to keep smacking this theft of our system by the federal government until it stops.
1 posted on 07/02/2009 6:38:08 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus

They foten send patients south for care. Canada seems to have fewer MRI’s than many large US cities too. Long waiting lists for crucial care mean that money is saved when someone dies.

Daschle thinks old people should just live with thier maladies, unless their politicians of course.


2 posted on 07/02/2009 6:41:01 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

If people just listen to what Obama is saying about his plans for us, you don’t even need the Canada comparison. He is telling you he is going to tax you higher and ration care.

With insanities like his statement that “every bit of evidence” proves you currently are receiving care that you “don’t need” and “isn’t really helping you”.


3 posted on 07/02/2009 6:45:59 AM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: GeronL

Government wants to turn you into a number. Numbers are easy to work with and quite simple to increment and decrement.

The only problem is that once you become a number, you’re toast.


4 posted on 07/02/2009 6:47:15 AM PDT by shineon
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To: Williams

I thank God that I haven’t gone to the doctor for years.

And When I die, I ain’t looking to any Obama administrative assurances that I have what I don’t need.

I’ll take what the Master gives me and it isn’t going to be from Mister Obama. He can keep what he has to give.

The Good Lord giveth and at the end the Good Lord takes it away. He’s my man in office and never gets voted out.


5 posted on 07/02/2009 6:52:58 AM PDT by shineon
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To: shineon

We are all prisoners now


6 posted on 07/02/2009 6:53:04 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: shineon

Though he slay me, yet will I trust him.

- Job.


7 posted on 07/02/2009 6:55:00 AM PDT by shineon
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To: GeronL
We needed to see an eye specialist, we got an appointment to see one here in Canada (this took a while), we didn't like the answer we got, so we wanted a second opinion but the appointment for that second opinion was until November (we where in June) SO we went to see an eye specialist in New York (this took 3 days) - We never saw such state of the art machines... i hope you guys don't screw up you medical system, where are we Canadians going to go????
8 posted on 07/02/2009 7:05:11 AM PDT by forYourChildrenVote4Bush (Today, July 16th I no longer donate money for Israel)
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To: forYourChildrenVote4Bush

Canadians can go to Dubai.


9 posted on 07/02/2009 7:07:04 AM PDT by shineon
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To: shineon

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10 posted on 07/02/2009 7:09:21 AM PDT by shineon
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To: fanfan

FYI ping.


11 posted on 07/02/2009 7:10:20 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Canadian Health Care only “works” because those with means can come to the USA. The USA is their “private option.”

I live in NY and see the MRI centers and their adverts focused on Canadians right across the border.

Does anyone have statistics on how many Canadians have accessed medical procedures in the USA???


12 posted on 07/02/2009 7:14:19 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: forYourChildrenVote4Bush
Americans don't even know anymore what a medical ward is! We assume we will always get a semi-private room these days.

img src="http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif
This was pro-NHS propaganda on postcards. Looks delightful huh?

13 posted on 07/02/2009 7:14:19 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Williams
If people just listen to what Obama is saying about his plans for us

That's just the problem....he doesn't say anything. He speaks in platitudes without saying anything substantial. And the MSM won't press for any real answers.

14 posted on 07/02/2009 7:18:47 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Travis T. OJustice; Clive; exg; kanawa; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; Squawk 8888; ...
Thanks for the ping Travis.


15 posted on 07/02/2009 7:34:40 AM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

From Today’s Buffalo News :
http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/721335.html

Ava is not the first baby from Southern Ontario to be cared for in Women & Children’s Neonatal Intensive Care Unit.

That unit treats 10 to 15 babies from Canada each year, according to Dr. Rita M. Ryan, Women & Children’s chief of neonatology.

“It happens all the time,” Ryan said. “They have a certain number of NICU beds [in Southern Ontario], and sometimes they run out.”

Ontario also doesn’t allow private healthcare (paid for voluntarily by the patient) since its “not fair” that someone could “get more” on their own.
Some of my Canadian friends are so brainwashed that, when I point out that, if someone pays for their own care, it leaves more public resources for others, they don’t get the point.


16 posted on 07/02/2009 7:50:34 AM PDT by Bonneville
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To: GeronL

Semi-private? Heck, in Georgia full-blown private rooms are mandatory (so the doc can talk openly to you without anyone overhearing).


17 posted on 07/02/2009 7:50:54 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

COMMENTS from a canadian blogger

Time for an update on my latest experience with our beloved health care system, the one politicians on the left consider sacred and scream hidden agenda when anyone dares to address problems within the system and offer new ideas to improve delivery and service.

My oldest daughter, 20, has been experiencing pains in her stomach for the last month. Her family doctor has said it’s nothing in recent visits, but that will be the subject for a post in the future. This morning at 6 am my daughter phoned crying about pains in her stomach. I called the emerg unit and described what was going on and was advised to go to a walk-in clinic instead. The earliest any clinic here opens is 8 am so we waited and were the first ones there when it opened. After filling out the forms and waiting the doctor finally sees her, and says to take her to emerg.

Get to emerg at 8:30. Nobody in waiting room. This is good I think. By 10:30 waiting room is full, yet nobody, including us has been called in to see doctor. after going to triag nurse and venting (nicest way I can put it), she gets called in. I’m told I can’t go with her because there isn’t enough space. By 1pm still no sign of her. Between 10:30am and 1pm 4 people have left after tiring of waiting, including one man who scratched his eye at work. 1:45pm I hear a man cursing and swearing demanding to see a doctor. He had arrived at emerg shortly after us and had a dislocated shoulder.

It’s now almost 3 in the afternoon. Girl across from me who has been there 4 hours breaks down into tears over the wait, husband not impressed. Another woman questions a nurse as to why she hasn’t been called yet. Nurse states she was called twice. Woman’s last name is McCullough. The person they called twice was McClinton. Apparently nobody named McClinton was at emerg. Oops. Again I question the status of my daughter, and am told she went for an ultra-sound and just waiting on the results. 2 hours later still waiting. It’s now 5 in the afternoon. Go into my own tirade against admin nurse. Am told it’s not their fault, only one doctor on duty. I count 11 nurses, 5 chatting and one going around getting take-out food orders for their dinner.

5:30. Daughter comes out crying. Doctor informs her she might need to get her gall bladder removed. Never explained why, what the surgery involves, what the effects on her life would be if it is removed. Advises her to make an appointment to see her family doctor and look into surgery. That’s the same family doctor that has stated it was nothing to worry about twice in the last month.

So to recap, 9.5 hours in emerg, no treatment given, advised to see family doctor, might need gall bladder removed, might not. $10 parking. Lost track of how many people left after waiting hours. Patients names messed up, 11 nurses to 1 doctor, do know the nurses are having Texas Burger for dinner.

Canada’s health care system in action. I could have sworn Jack Layton told Obama and the Democrats us Canadian’s get treated in emerg within 6 minutes on average. wonder if he will pass the above information along to the Democrats in the States.


18 posted on 07/02/2009 7:54:50 AM PDT by BillM
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To: Williams

Yes, an argument could be made that some “don’t need” certain care - that they can get by with deteriorating functionality until symptoms become acute. But dang it - that’s the great thing about PRIVATE health care: if I want it and have the money for it (or bought the insurance to cover it) I can get it! Personally, I’m very happy to be operating at full capacity now (thanks to a timely repair job), rather than watching my health deteriorate until intervening just before congestive heart failure.

Liberty is wonderful: you don’t have to convince anyone else to get “permission”. The government is just a collection of other people, not some inherently superior/elite wise demi-gods - so I don’t understand why so many people want to defer their personal decisions to these self-interested cronies.


19 posted on 07/02/2009 8:04:29 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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