Posted on 06/03/2009 9:41:06 PM PDT by lainie
Trend forecaster Gerald Celente has been getting a lot of attention lately. He has a pretty good track record, having predicted the crash of '87, the rise of Starbucks, the bail out frenzy, among others. Now he's forecasting a super-depression come 2012. I first came across Mr. Celente's doomsday predictions a few months back. In November I did a post that challenged his predictions. I agreed that we had serious problems, but I was much more confident that we would recognize and reverse the situation before it got ridiculous. Now, I'm beginning to think Mr. Celente's predictions of total financial breakdown by 2012 might be overly optimistic. Given the events of the last 3 months, I don't know if we can continue to fake it for three more years.
The speed with which the federal government has ballooned the deficit and the debt has been mind-boggling. As Mr. Celente points out, the Fed is now between a rock and a hard place. They're buying up Treasuries to keep rates low, which is essentially like printing your own money and loaning it to yourself. The consequence is that the value of the dollar around the world is falling. It's similar to a publicly traded company issuing more stock. The more stock you put on the market, the less each share is worth. This will likely lead to inflation, which one would normally combat by raising interest rates. However, that would be a body-blow to an already ailing economy and would lead to the government having to roll over its own record debt at much higher rates. They've gotten themselves into a pickle for which there is no fix. Hyper-inflation seems inevitable.
As Mr. Celente correctly points out, during the Great Depression of the '30's we didn't have anything like the level of consumer or government debt we're dealing with today. Also, we had the strongest manufacturing base in the world. Today, not only do we not have that capacity, we've regulated away our ability to create it anytime soon.
The question is, how will we react to a total economic meltdown? Celente predicts tax revolts, food riots and a level of criminal activity like we've never seen. Maybe I'm naive when it comes to human nature, but I still don't think poverty and hardship will necessarily lead to the population in general totally losing their minds. I remain hopeful that even in the face of fiscal disaster, we can take what's coming and clean up after ourselves. After all, you can rail at our leaders for creating this situation, but we're the ones who hired them. We are not blameless. Perhaps the bi-partisan nature of the runaway spending spree put a damper on any public outcry, or maybe we just all wanted to believe that one can solve a debt problem by borrowing and spending more.
We may not be able to avoid the inevitable fiscal crisis, but we still have the ability to clean house as far as our government. It will take more than replacing one party with another. We actually have to seek out and support people who have some common sense and competence in the field of money management and free market economics. We'll have to accept that some serious short-term pain will have to be experienced. We can't continue to try to kick it down the road for our kids to deal with. Fiscal collapse doesn't have to be the end of the world. It can be a new beginning, if we have the wisdom to identify and acknowledge our mistakes, take our medicine, and start again. For more info: Trends Research Institute
Not to worry, the world will end before that. (at least that’s what the Mayans said)
Well, which is it? A depression or hyper-inflation?
Good one!
Paging Mr. Art Bell...
I think it’s suggested to become hyper-inflation followed by depression when the thing collapses.
Well that is the headline of the blogger. Not the guy he’s referencing.
you know, as bad as that sounds, the good thing is that will send Obama back to Chicago after one term, so it’d probably be worth it.
I thought the same thing, heh! But I’ve seen footage of Gerald Celente. He’s not a conspiracy nutter at all.
Ah man but what would be be left with?
(we)
Celente ignores the massive destruction of credit, debt, and wealth.
Celente predicts hyper-inflation because so much new money has been printed, but that money is being hoarded inside banks who need it to show some semblance of solvency.
In the meantime, banks aren’t loaning out money, save for home refinances that are then purchased from the banks either by the government or on the Secondary Markets from investors.
Look at Geithner himself. He can’t sell his own NY home because no one can get a super-jumbo loan any longer.
In the meantime, the world has made too many cars, planes, and trains. Too many homes, offices, shopping malls, and factories have been built.
There is massive over-capacity.
So prices fall. On homes. On cars. In salaries. On office towers. In rent.
Deflation.
What Celente is doing is saying that home prices are going up (hyper-inflation).
Nope.
Home prices are going down. Deflation. Employment is also declining.
If Celente was right it would be easy to make money. You’d just buy an asset...a stock...a house...a business...and hyper-inflation would make it go up in price.
But the “easy money” is gone. No more tech IPO’s that make the next Google fortune. Gone. No more “build a factory and get rich” business models. Too many factories already (e.g. GM, Chrysler).
No more house flippers making a quick score.
No more shopping mall magnates making easy money by erecting the next cool mall.
The easy money is gone.
And deflation is here.
Ask somebody from Argentina about 2001, then come back and say that. Hardship doesn't destroy civil society, but the complete and sudden loss of legitimacy of the government does. When Obama starts defaulting on T-bills (whether directly, or indirectly via hyperinflation), then that kind of collapse is exactly what will happen.
Harry Dent is another good read and also predicts a depression kicking in by 2010-11.
I agree, but I think he's assuming that the Kenyan will still have unlimited free reign to 2012. I think there will be some moderating influences after the elections of 2010.
As I am fond of mentioning to libs, I think 2010 will be like 1994.
I don’t think he’s ignoring the destruction of credit, debt, and wealth.
If the prices of homes were to hyper-inflate, so would every other aspect of life. You couldn’t make a killing on it in the way you suggest.
Deflation is where we’re at. Inflation will come later. That’s my take.
Well let’s hope so!
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