Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Whatever You Believe About Homosexuality, Say It Kindly
North Star Writers Group ^ | November 25, 2008 | Nathaniel Shockey

Posted on 11/25/2008 5:21:48 AM PST by Invisigoth

When I asked people why or why not they thought homosexuality was a choice, I asked for specificity and examples, so unless it was especially funny or insightful, I included only the best of the feedback that stayed within the guidelines. Let’s get to it.

“Every truly gay friend I’ve ever had believes he was born that way. They say they knew as early as they could remember that it was same-sex people who made their hearts beat faster.”

“I think you’re born that way. Too many kids I knew growing up came out of the closet when they left my hometown. None of them surprised me. They were effeminate as children.”

“It’s definitely something you’re born with. I grew up in a private Christian school attached to a Christian church in a bubble basically and there was this kid that was off. Years later I ran into this same kid at a bar and knew exactly why he acted the way he did when we were growing up.”

“When my friend’s nephew could barely speak (maybe a year and a half old) he would say he was a girl and not a boy. For his second Christmas he wanted a Beauty and the Beast magic mirror. He ran around the house in women’s shoes and nighties. He is now 18 and gay as he could possibly be. This kid was born gay.”

That response followed the guidelines and was funny.

(Excerpt) Read more at northstarwriters.com ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: behavior; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; innate; society

1 posted on 11/25/2008 5:21:48 AM PST by Invisigoth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

That’s odd, as most studies show homosexuality is the result of childhood molestation.


2 posted on 11/25/2008 5:24:06 AM PST by G Larry (Barack’s character has been molded by extremists)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

I’ve known a few friendly turd burglers.


3 posted on 11/25/2008 5:25:10 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

Decent piece. A lot more even-handed than I thought it was going to be.


4 posted on 11/25/2008 5:26:13 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

Were they born that way, or did they sexual urges change later in life? I don’t think the answer will ever present itself.

I know a lot of gay people, and they are fine people. I just wish they wouldn’t act on their impulses in that it is an abomination in God’s eyes.


5 posted on 11/25/2008 5:27:41 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no such thing as a good tax." Winston Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: G Larry

I don’t think it’s specifically child molestation but rather the envirorment a child is raised in.

A strong willed, controlling mother and no father figure or a weak father will give a child tendencies to want to be female if male and attracted to women if a girl.

At least that was the studies I read.

My sister turned lesbian after two husbands and four children. My other sister and I couldn’t understand it. My mother was pretty dominering (always) and particularly butted heads with her. My dad was in the army when she was young. Because he was back home for my other sister and myself, he tempered my mom and was very attentive to us.

But also, it’s a lifestyle choice. She chooses to be with the woman she is with. Over her kids who don’t want their children exposed to it. I don’t understand that.


6 posted on 11/25/2008 5:29:57 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

Being *nice* to Gay acquaintances and allowing the Homosexual agenda to take hold, are 2 different things.

Stay out of my bedroom and I’ll stay out of the privacy of yours.


7 posted on 11/25/2008 5:30:52 AM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

I believe everything the Bible says about homosexuality.


8 posted on 11/25/2008 5:33:30 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Dan 4:17 and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RexBeach
I know a lot of gay people, and they are fine people. I just wish they wouldn’t act on their impulses in that it is an abomination in God’s eyes.

I'll second this statement.

9 posted on 11/25/2008 5:35:27 AM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

I have never believed in hate toward the Homosexual community. Hate is something that kills the hater before the hatee.

However, I do disagree with many parts of the Homosexual agenda including gay marriage etc. I do not say this with any malice. I say this from purely a practical point of view.

I want our Homosexual brothers and sisters to understand that many of us (maybe the vast majority of us) truly love them and pray for them and that the disagreements that we have with them are based on core principles and not hate.

I will gladly defend a gay person being beaten up solely for being gay. I will also gladly go and publicly support marriage being between one man and one woman.

The media tries to portray anyone who disagrees with the gay agenda as gay haters. That is NOT the case.


10 posted on 11/25/2008 5:40:07 AM PST by SoftwareEngineer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wolfcreek
Stay out of my bedroom and I’ll stay out of the privacy of yours.

The problem is that in the past 30 years, the entire world has become a gay bedroom. It is impossible for them to keep it their own business because the movement demands that everyone, everywhere accept and encourage them.

Once, it was "the love that dare not speak it's name." Now, it's the love that won't shut the hell up.

11 posted on 11/25/2008 5:40:17 AM PST by 50sDad (-/\/\/\- Obama's coming; be a Resistor!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

You can’t be “born” gay.

Its a behavior.


12 posted on 11/25/2008 5:41:29 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth
“When my friend’s nephew could barely speak (maybe a year and a half old) he would say he was a girl and not a boy.

Gender confusion. A good shrink could have corrected this problem before it had a chance to become a fundamental part of his personality.

For his second Christmas he wanted a Beauty and the Beast magic mirror.

Of course he did. He wanted to be a pretty, little girl.

He ran around the house in women’s shoes and nighties.

Yep.

He is now 18 and gay as he could possibly be. This kid was born gay.”

I'm willing to bet a fiver that he'll be dead by forty.

Poor kid had a normal, healthy life stolen from him. Shame. Breaks my heart.

13 posted on 11/25/2008 5:41:58 AM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom

I’m not contesting your reference.
Simply stating what several sincere studies have concluded is the basis MOST OF THE TIME.


14 posted on 11/25/2008 5:43:08 AM PST by G Larry (Barack’s character has been molded by extremists)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: RexBeach
I know a lot of gay people, and they are fine people.

Same here, but I think the "fineness" is many times just on the surface. The two homosexual friends I have both have deep-seated anger issues and take mood-altering medication. One is incorrigibly lazy and has an entitlement attitude; the other is industrious, but otherwise opinionated, angry, and very sacrilegious. I know, many heterosexuals have these character flaws too, so I'm not presenting firm evidence to the argument. Just saying the people who really have it together are, among other things, heterosexual.

15 posted on 11/25/2008 5:44:13 AM PST by fwdude ("...a 'centrist' ... has few principles - and those are negotiable." - Don Feder)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: 50sDad
I have a relative who is a 35-years dry alcoholic. Every day he has to make a decision...does he do the right thing in God's eyes that will produce the best possible future for him, or does he do what his body tells him feels good, and suffer the after-effects and consequences of his bad behavior? Every day he must choose, no matter what the behavior stems from.

Let us suppose for a moment that alchololism has a genetic component, and some people are more prone to experiencing the problem. So what? I would never think of walking up to someone whom I knew was an alcoholic and saying, "Hey, you know what? God made you just the way He wants you to be, and you can't help yourself to prevent this behavior that feels good to you! Here, drink up! Let me buy you a beer!" But that is exactly what the Libs want all of us to do in the case of this disability...smile and rubber-stamp the bad behavior as being just fine.

I have known probably five homosexual men and a couple of women in my life, and without exception they were smart, kind people trying to do the best they could. They were also, every one, from homes where I could see either emotionally absent or overbearing authoritarian fathers. And every one of them was, at some time in their history, recruited.

What is more, in each case, I could chart for you how the "lifestyle" (that's "sin" to you and me) gradually enveloped them and took them completely. They each began as well-rounded people: athletes, singers, scholars, teachers and more. But over time, what they became was "gay"...it permeated every aspect of their lives, became their sole and central point, with no other factor given any real weight. It is the ultimate in narcissism, because the person becomes more important than anyone else on the planet. It is his or her feelings that matter more than friends, relatives or society.

As everyone who has seen this knows, it ultimately becomes required for everyone around the homosexual to endorse their choice or be cast out into the night, because no disagreement with their behavior will be tolerated. I have lost some good acquaintances because I would not bow down and pronounce what they did as good.

If I had a good friend who thought that sticking their face in a glass furnace sounded like a really fun time, I would have to warn them that the after affects could kill them. If I had a friend who was trying to drive their car off a cliff, I would be honor bound to try and prevent it...even if they intended to.

Suppose that I am a vegetarian, and I stand on a soapbox in front of an Outback Steak House, and announce the following:

You probably don't want to hear this, but what you are doing is morally wrong. It is insensitive of you to put your own desires ahead of all the damage that your own lusts creates all around you. Firstly, you endanger your own bodies with behavior that is scientifically shown to put you at great risk of several diseases, risking even your own deaths! Secondly, the money that you are costing the medical insurance industry because of your own self-driven choices could be used to help protect the health of thousands of other people. Thirdly, by giving in to the desires of your flesh, you are causing worry and grief to those around you who care about you! And fourthly, you are in the end the only one who can prevent these bad choices in your life, because you can, at any time, decide to stop behaving irresponsibly! For your own moral good, for your health, and for your families and friends, I plead with you to reconsider what you are doing!"

The news media would portray you as "a bright, concerned individual, unafraid to take an unpopular position on a controversial subject, who bravely has stood up to warn those about him about their moral obligations to everyone around them, and the dangers of their own self-centered behavior."

Now, instead you are an evangelical Christian, standing outside of a gay bar. Go and repeat the indented paragraph.

That's right...you are tarred and feathered in the media as "a small-mided, self-centered Bible-thumping conservative who wants to take away the natural rights of others, cruelly limiting their choices and brutally committing hate-speech that belittles and condemns them."

It is usually the Liberals who wail about their goddess "Tolerance" who are first in line to throw stones when you won't tolerate the things THEY hold dear. I wish that all the people who are standing line to tell us what we can eat, where we can smoke, what firearms we are allowed to protect ourselves with and how much of our pie we should give to others were half as ready to hear what we think.

16 posted on 11/25/2008 5:44:49 AM PST by 50sDad (-/\/\/\- Obama's coming; be a Resistor!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: 50sDad

I’ve had many longtime *gay* friends (male and female) and I have never been overwhelmed by any flaming gay pride nonsense or such.

Chances are though, living near Austin, TX. for the last 30 years, I might be immune.


17 posted on 11/25/2008 5:46:43 AM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: G Larry

I believe you are correct that some are connected to actual sexual molestation.
But especially with homosexuality becoming the “I’m friends with a black kid” of the 80’s, some of it is just wanting to be different. And the envirorment.

I think that studies that were done before the normalization by society, may have different outcomes today.


18 posted on 11/25/2008 5:51:01 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom
She chooses to be with the woman she is with. Over her kids who don’t want their children exposed to it. I don’t understand that.

I do. My brother is gay. He and his friends are some of the most selfish people that I have ever met. Life is about them and being "fulfilled". It has nothing to do with responsibility. They see the fault as being other people's selfishness in not wanting to approve of the lifestyle and chalk it up to hating anything different.

19 posted on 11/25/2008 5:51:08 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth
Every murderer believes he was born that way.

Every terrorist believes G-d made him to avenge whatever by means of murdering masses of innocents randomly.

Every thief thinks, this is my nature.

* * *

What logic! What serendipity! Let us speak nicely to those who come to ruin us all.

20 posted on 11/25/2008 5:51:49 AM PST by bvw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 50sDad

>>Once, it was “the love that dare not speak it’s name.” Now, it’s the love that won’t shut the hell up. <<

Wow! Spot on!!!


21 posted on 11/25/2008 5:53:07 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW

That’s so sad.

In our case, I’ve taken over the roll of Grandma for the kids so it’s kind of okay and I would move heaven and earth for them.

She is basically alone except for the girlfriend.


22 posted on 11/25/2008 5:55:30 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom

The “normalization” you speak of, is in place to better establish adults, in a position to prey on our children.


23 posted on 11/25/2008 5:57:43 AM PST by G Larry (Barack’s character has been molded by extremists)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom
She is basically alone except for the girlfriend.

She will never see that as having been her choice. She will believe it was a choice forced on her by others and their "hateful" opinions. It is sad.

24 posted on 11/25/2008 5:58:20 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: G Larry

I’ve found the testimony of ex-gay folks immensely valuable psychologically....because they are in a good position to know what they were thinking at the time and also what was fundamentally flawed about it (which, of course, most currently homosexual people are largely blind to).

My little hypothesis is as follows, at least for males. Boys grow up for one reason or another estranged from other boys—either as a result of molestation, or family problems, teasing, or sensitive personalities, what have you. When the rest of us went through a phase where “girls are icky”, they found themselves identifying with girls and not with other boys. Then, at puberty, this feeling of estrangement and otherness toward other boys is improperly sexualized, with all the symptoms that we normally have toward girls (crushes, heart palpitations, etc.).

The homosexual person sees this as a continuity between his childhood and his adulthood—thus “I was born gay” and “I was gay as long as I can remember”. But that’s hogwash, because sexuality doesn’t awaken in *anyone* till adolescence. They may have felt different, but the mistake is in identifying that difference as a protosexual attraction to men.


25 posted on 11/25/2008 6:00:19 AM PST by Claud
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: G Larry

Wait, I don’t want you to think that I’m saying it’s a good thing. It’s a societal thing. Please understand that.


26 posted on 11/25/2008 6:03:01 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth
“Every truly gay friend I’ve ever had believes he was born that way. They say they knew as early as they could remember that it was same-sex people who made their hearts beat faster.”

Geez, we've read this one here dozens of times

27 posted on 11/25/2008 6:03:26 AM PST by fml (So?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

Tell them you will pray for them to be cured of their mental illness. They HATE that!


28 posted on 11/25/2008 6:04:08 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JimRed

I just leave them alone.


29 posted on 11/25/2008 6:04:53 AM PST by sport
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW

You are absolutely correct.
She sent a note to her middle son who has basically avoided her, laying on a thick layer of guilt and begging him to call her. His wife (who is the most Christian woman I know) said that she and the kids (6 & 4) could see “Grandma” but not with her girlfriend.

The son called her and told her this. Mom hung up.


30 posted on 11/25/2008 6:06:16 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: sport
I just leave them alone.

I do the same, but getting them to leave US alone is another matter.

31 posted on 11/25/2008 6:11:30 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom

How sad. She will weep and insist that she’s being treated badly and hated all the while refusing to see it’s by her choice. Gays will not bend one iota, they will not meet anyone halfway. Their selfishness demands all or nothing. But it’s everyone elses fault. People in general can be so blinded by “me”. Accept my sin or you hate me.


32 posted on 11/25/2008 6:13:34 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW

Yes, she told her daughter exactly that.


33 posted on 11/25/2008 6:18:40 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

Male and female He made them. After that, everyone makes choices as to sexual activity - who, what, how, where, how often, etc.


34 posted on 11/25/2008 6:20:47 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: G Larry

Molestation, troubled relationships with their father, or overbearing mother, at least for male homsexuality. Anyone says that being “born that way” is lying.

While there are undoubtably some that are born with urges, the vast majority are not. Well over 90% of admitted gay men admit to sex at least once with a woman so, so much for women can’t do it for me argument. And more than 90% of admittedly gay men admit that their first voluntary gay encounter happened only after they got good and drunk.

You don’t need to get drunk first to do something you believe and know in your heart you are meant to do. Sorry, but its a complete load, no pun intended, that homosexuality is not by and large nothing more than a psychological disorder.


35 posted on 11/25/2008 6:25:12 AM PST by HamiltonJay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW

Homosexuality, particularly male homosexuality is nothing more than a psychological disorder, and narcicism is one of its many outward symptoms.


36 posted on 11/25/2008 6:27:42 AM PST by HamiltonJay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

Whatever You Believe About Homosexuality, Say It Kindly

What I know about Homosexual activity is that it is morally wrong, morally repulsive, against the law of nature, historically wrong and until the left in this nation got its way, was a crime (for 95 percent of recorded history).
And as an American that dedends the US Constitution and the First Admendment I will say this just as I have here. The homosexualmafia and the enabling left can pound sand which should only serve to make them happy.


37 posted on 11/25/2008 6:27:50 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom

We had a dear friend who had left that lifestyle behind. He married, became a pastor and they adopted 3 needy children. We didn’t hear from him for 5 years and my hubby found a gay profile for our friend on Aol and we contacted him. His wife had taken his kids and left him and he had been kicked out of his church. And he had Aids. He was still “cruising” and not telling his partners that he was infected. He died 2 years ago, reviling his church for not helping him. None of it was his fault. I guess it’s more than just selfishness, it’s also the immaturity of a childish point of view.


38 posted on 11/25/2008 6:43:24 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: HamiltonJay

Yup.


39 posted on 11/25/2008 6:44:05 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW

That is horribly sad.


40 posted on 11/25/2008 7:29:10 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: fml

The truth is that nobody knows what causes homosexuality. The politically correct answer is that they are born that way. You’re not supposed to think it’s a choice. I honestly don’t know what causes it, but I don’t think we need to change established social policy and arrangements such as marriage just because we don’t know what causes homosexuality. If they want to go live in The Castro, fine. Let everyone live their life as they see fit, but don’t force society to change to accomodate a tiny minority.


41 posted on 11/25/2008 7:29:18 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

he would say he was a girl and not a boy/stand him next to a girl and show him what girl looks like she has one of those and she can have all of them she wants.


42 posted on 11/25/2008 10:44:11 AM PST by Vaduz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

If it don’t fit, don’t force it.


43 posted on 11/25/2008 10:45:27 AM PST by RichInOC (Obama/Biden '08: "We Are Not Ruled By Murderers, But Only--By Their Friends."--Rudyard Kipling)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DungeonMaster

Me too.


44 posted on 11/25/2008 12:07:06 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Dilbert San Diego

Well put and I agree completely.


45 posted on 11/25/2008 3:32:58 PM PST by fml (So?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom
Fifty years ago, psychologists played up that "domineering mother" theme to the point where it became a cliche. But now the "weak father" is seen as more important.

And a few people have so clearly got behaviors associated with the opposite sex that one has to wonder if heterosexuality was really ever in the cards for them.

It's also been said that when women have many sons their body secretes extra estrogen to compensate, so youngest sons in a family where all the children are boys are supposedly more likely to be homosexuals.

46 posted on 11/25/2008 3:40:08 PM PST by x
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: x

>>It’s also been said that when women have many sons their body secretes extra estrogen to compensate, so youngest sons in a family where all the children are boys are supposedly more likely to be homosexuals. <<

I’m married to the youngest of four. Three are boys. None are homosexual.


47 posted on 11/25/2008 6:45:13 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Invisigoth

It is not fully understood how the homosexual disorientation came to be.

However, sticking one’s penis in another man’s rectum is definitely a choice.


48 posted on 12/08/2008 5:28:08 PM PST by dbz77
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson