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Duncan Hunter vs. Newt: Who is the Conservative??
News Which Cannot Lose ^ | 9/11/07 | Staff

Posted on 09/11/2007 6:13:27 PM PDT by pissant

A really nice little article has come to our attention at NWCL. Duncan Hunter has been working hard for America for many years, despite the opposition, both Democrat and Republican.

AN ALIEN IDEA : DENYING WELFARE BENEFITS TO LEGAL IMMIGRANTS IS UNFAIR

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (PA)

January 15, 1995

Just two days after Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich backed back away from a proposal to make legal immigrants ineligible for welfare benefits, a GOP lawmaker introduced legislation to do just that.

The bill, sponsored by Rep. Duncan Hunter of California , would bar legal immigrants from receiving food stamps, housing assistance, Supplemental Security Income and Aid to Families with Dependent Children. Immigrants would have three years to become citizens or lose their benefits.

Earlier, Mr. Gingrich, declaring that he was "very pro-legal immigration," had said that the plan, which was written into the GOP's Contract with America , would have to be "revisited."

Mr. Gingrich said the proposal -- which would have affected most of the country's 8.8 million legal immigrants -- was written before Republicans knew they would be in control of Congress and able to find other creative solutions. Insisting that the GOP shouldn't be held to the details of its contract, he said: "We are not going to get trapped into doing something dumb just so you all can say we're consistent."

Unfortunately, some of Mr. Gingrich's colleagues haven't gotten the word. Rep. E. Clay Shaw Jr., chairman of the subcommittee that will consider welfare reform, indicated that he didn't regard the speaker's "offhand comment" as a policy directive.

The legislation introduced by Rep. Hunter would save an estimated $22 billion over five years. That's money the Republicans need to help pay for other welfare reform proposals, tax cuts and other budget-balancing proposals. Admirable as these goals may be, denying benefits to immigrants who observed all the rules and entered the country legally, many of whom work and pay taxes, isn't the way to achieve them.

Moreover, Mr. Gingrich said the proposal was no longer necessary because GOP governors had agreed to accept a five-year freeze on federal money in exchange for state control of the welfare system -- which would save an estimated $40 billion.

The speaker must get the word to other Republicans that there's a new and better game plan on the table.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; duncanhunter; gingrich; immigration; newt
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One is a weasel. The other is a rock-ribbed conservative. You decide.
1 posted on 09/11/2007 6:13:29 PM PDT by pissant
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To: 007girl; 230FMJ; abigailsmybaby; absolootezer0; afnamvet; Afronaut; airborne; ajolympian2004; ...

Now I hope all can see the battles that Hunter has had to fight against the supposed conservatives in his own party.


2 posted on 09/11/2007 6:14:51 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant

Hunter embodies the sort of old-school Reaganesque conservatism that the RNC has become the mortal enemy of.


3 posted on 09/11/2007 6:18:02 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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To: pissant

On The Issues....duncanHunter_logo

FAIR & EQUITABLE TRADE

Fair Trade, Not Free Trade = Jobs / Packed House in Mission Valley

China Cheating  on Trade / America is a GREAT Nation

SECOND AMENDMENT

Glen & Helen Show / CA Bullet Serialization / A Keyboard and a .45 /Armed & Free

ECONOMY & TAXES

Address to Fair Tax Rally 05-15-07 / Address to CPAC / Fiscal Conservativism

CONGRESSIONAL RECORD

Iraq Resolution / Hunter vs. Democrats / Surge is Working

Senate Amnesty Bill / Amnesty Fails / Amnesty Fails Again  / Hunter Vs. Murtha

LEGAL REFORM

Gonzales Firings / Pardon Scooter? / ”Fairness” Doctrine

Border Agents Compean & Ramos / Defending Border Agents

ENDORSEMENTS

Appeal to Conservatives / General Chuck Yeager / Conservative Voice

Ann Coulter / Magnificent! / Favorite

Announcement – Part 1 & Part 2 / Music Video On the Road to the Oval Office

Conservative Case / A Fresh Face / Blog Collection / Constitution Party / Grassroots HQ

EDUCATION

No Child Left Behind

HEALTHCARE

Ronald Reagan Health Care / ‘National’ HealthCare / “One step closer to socialism”

IMMIGRATION

Border Enforcement is Homeland Security / NAFTA / Secure Border

Building a Fence / “Jobs Americans won’t do”? / Wake Up America 07-19-07

Enforce the Law / No Amnesty / Party of One / Ted Hayes

SAFETY & SECURITY

Dubai Ports / Cooking with Hunter / War On Terror / To America’s Critics / JFK Plot

Mark Steyn on 1986 Amnesty / Firefighter’s Forum / CSIS Forum / Katrina Summit

FAITH & VALUES

Blogs for Life / Judicial Appointments / Right to Life Rally / Hunter's Faith

Terri Shaivo / Mt. Soledad Cross  - Flyer / Roe vs. Wade / Hate Crimes

INTERVIEWS

Dennis Miller (June 1st – 3rd Hour) / Michael Illions

Roger Hedgecock (4/6, 4/24, 4/25, 6/8, 6/29, 7/2, 7/17, 7/19)

Laura Ingraham – Part 1 & Part 2 / Steve Malzberg 06-19-07

Brian Preston – Hot Air / William Gheen - ALIPAC

WRKO Pundit Review Radio / Polipundit Radio / Tom McLaughlin

Kevin McCullough – Musclehead Revolution / John Hawkins

NHPR’s Laura Knoy on The Exchange / Irving Baxter

WESH – Orlando (Conversation with the Candidate) / Wolf Blitzer

 Hardball 07-30-2007 / Hardball - Al Sharpton / George Stephanopolis

 Charlie Rangel – Part 1 & Part 2 / Dennis Kucinich – Part 1 & Part 2

Glenn Beck / JD Hayworth 1 & 2 / Tom McLaughlin / Neil Cavuto

DEBATES

Reagan Library 05-03-07 / After Interview

South Carolina 05-15-07 / Fox Interview

New Hampshire 06-05-07 / Spin Room - NH/ Lynne Hunter

Iowa Presidential Candidate Forum 06-30-07

Iowa 08-05-07 / Hunter vs Paul / After the Debate / De Moines 07-06-07

POLLS

Hunter Beats McCain / Maricopa County, Arizona 01-13-07

Spartanburg, South Carolina 03-01-07 / SC GOP Conventions 04-16-07

Anderson County, South Carolina 04-17-07 / Free Republic / Coryell, Tx / Texas Win

ADDITIONAL AUDIO & VIDEOS

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Brian & the Judge: 01-10-2007 / 02-08-2007 / 03-12-2007/ Cost of WH Run

The Right Balance hosted by Greg Allen / Still in the Race / Duncan D. Hunter

 


4 posted on 09/11/2007 6:18:05 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Old_Mil
Look how slippery Newt was. I’m surprised Hunter did not rign his pencil neck.
5 posted on 09/11/2007 6:21:33 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant

Newt is flat wondering off the reservation on various issues.


6 posted on 09/11/2007 6:21:37 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Fight the illegal Mexican colonizers & imperialist conquistadors! Long live the resistance!)
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To: pissant

7 posted on 09/11/2007 6:23:28 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: pissant

Duncan Hunter is conservative. No question. He’s a far better man than Newt.


8 posted on 09/11/2007 6:24:02 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -12)
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To: Free Vulcan

Even back in 1995, apparently he started wandering...


9 posted on 09/11/2007 6:24:07 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant

Duncan


10 posted on 09/11/2007 6:24:39 PM PDT by madison10
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To: pissant
DH and conservatism BUMP


11 posted on 09/11/2007 6:25:20 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: RasterMaster

Thanks and God Bless America, our troops and Duncan Hunter, a Real American Hero!!!


12 posted on 09/11/2007 6:26:33 PM PDT by zerosix (<P>t)
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To: pissant
Here’s an issue I haven’t heard Duncan answer;

If Duncan loses the nomination, will he run as an independent and try to rip the Republican party to shreds?

13 posted on 09/11/2007 6:36:13 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Nope. He’s a real republican, through and through.


14 posted on 09/11/2007 6:41:43 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Dixie Yooper
..there is a great deal of difference between conviction lead by character--and just plain demagoguery

Anyone who has followed Hunter's career, knows the answer to your question...

15 posted on 09/11/2007 6:42:53 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: pissant

Hunter has also lived as a conservative in his personal life as well. He has had one wife and been faithful to her and his children.


16 posted on 09/11/2007 6:57:12 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Duncan Hunter 2008 - Protecting and Restoring America)
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To: WalterSkinner

Yes, thanks for that reminder about the Values Voter debate.

It’s funny, I was in one of the threads for a certain other “unmentionable” candidate and they were talking about how he was going to participate in all the debates from this point forward.

I brought up the Values Voter debate, which this particular candidate is skipping.

One guy said “well, there’s nobody going to be at that debate. Who’s he going to debate— himself?”

(By the way, this candidate and Rudy McRomney are the only ones skipping the debate. All the other candidates are in. It’s like a concerted effort by these candidates to discredit the values voters. Truly sick, isn’t it?)


17 posted on 09/11/2007 7:08:47 PM PDT by jmyrlefuller ("The Price is Right has given away more money than anyone except welfare"-- Bob Barker)
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To: jmyrlefuller

..let them go ahead and tick off the millions of conservatives in the faith and values community—they will reap what they sow...


18 posted on 09/11/2007 7:16:01 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Pinkbell

Yep, and that is one thing that separates him from Fred Thompson. You know, a lot of people push God to the background and do not consider His beneficence to a nation based on the quality of its leaders. At no point in Scripture do I see Him separating a leader’s professional life from his personal one.


19 posted on 09/11/2007 7:27:14 PM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b81K03dMc98)
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To: pissant; All

Newt Gingrich, Conservative? NOT on immigration!

Some wise man said, “The only indicator of future behavior is past behavior”.

There is lots of hype lately from the K St Crowd, that Gingrich helped found, to push him for president as the only “conservative” in the race. Newt has his finger in the wind, and is finding that Americans want immigration controlled, so now he’s suddenly on “our side”. Don’t believe it!

Let me remind you of a few FACTS.

In his much touted ‘Contract with America’....NOT one word about immigration. In fact only recently has Newt even talked about immigration enforcement. In the letter below, he joins other open border lobbyists proclaiming Bush’s amnesty is the ‘only way to go’.

Newt’s voting record on immigration....pretty bad! Per Numbers USA and others: “ Leans toward higher immigration, population growth, foreign labor. I can find nothing, in all the years that Gingrich was in office where he ever introduced or worked for legislation that would control our borders.

His close and long lasting association with Grover Norquist (open border White house policy maker), Jack Abramoff, Ralph Reed should cause concern.

I won’t even get into all of Newts money and corruption scandals over these many years or the fact that Newt never met a NAFTA/CAFTA type trade agreement he didn’t love.

Conservatives Join Together to Support Immigration and Immigration Reform

Arlington, VA – The following “Conservative Statement of Principles on Immigration” appeared today in the Wall Street Journal.
The Wall Street Journal

February 6, 2004

Welcome to America

Fifteen authors offer this “Conservative Statement of Principles on Immigration”:

In his farewell address to the nation, President Reagan said: “I’ve spoken of the Shining City all my political life . . . [I]n my mind it was . . . teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace, a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get here.”

America is a nation of immigrants. Except for Native American Indians, everyone in this country came to America or is here due to the good fortune that a parent, grandparent, or other relation came before them. Keeping a door open to those with the “will and heart to get here” is vital to our economy, our culture, our role in the world, and our historic tradition as a land of freedom and opportunity.

Conservatives believe in legal immigration. We believe that America grows stronger by welcoming those who seek to better their families, work in our industries, and find liberty and refuge from oppression.

Conservatives oppose illegal immigration. We believe there is a right way and a wrong way to immigrate to the U.S. However, as conservatives we believe that our laws must reflect reality and common sense, be fiscally responsible, and avoid the loss of innocent life. Our current immigration laws do not pass this test.

Between 1990 and 2000, the U.S. increased the number of Border Patrol Agents from 3,600 to 10,000. During that same period illegal immigration rose by 5.5 million. Moreover, over the past eight years, more than 2,000 men, women, and children have died attempting to cross into America and seek the opportunity to work and achieve a better life. The status quo is unacceptable and clinging to the status quo — or tougher versions of it — is neither conservative nor principled. It has become clear that the only viable approach to reform is combining enforcement with additional legal avenues for those who wish to work in our economy, while also addressing the situation of those already here in the U.S.

President Bush has proposed a new legal path to work in the U.S. through a temporary worker program that will match willing workers with willing employers. We applaud the president and believe his approach holds great promise to reduce illegal immigration and establish a humane, orderly, and economically sensible approach to migration that will aid homeland security and free up border-security assets to focus on genuine threats. The president has shown courage by calling on Congress to place reality over rhetoric and recognize that those already working here outside the law are unlikely to leave. Congress can fulfill its role by establishing sufficient increases in legal immigration and paths to permanent residence to enable more workers to stay, assimilate, and become part of America.

Immigrants are crucial to our competitiveness and future labor and economic growth, as well as our military strength. Our country’s welcoming attitude to immigrants will permit the U.S. to grow and prosper, as the populations of many other nations stagnate and decline. Each generation of Americans must connect our nation’s past to its future and in so doing keep President Reagan’s vision of the “Shining City” alive.

Co-authored by Stuart Anderson, Jeff Bell, Linda Chavez, Larry Cirignano, Cesar V. Conda, Francis Fukuyama, Richard Gilder, Newt Gingrich, Ed Goeas, Tamar Jacoby, Jack Kemp, Steve Moore, Grover Norquist, Richard W. Rahn and Malcolm Wallop.

SIGNATORES: (Names you need to know, they are the enemy!)

Stuart Anderson
Executive Director
National Foundation for American Policy

Jeff Bell
Principal
Capital City Partners

Linda Chavez
President
Center for Equal Opportunity

Larry Cirignano
President
Catholic Alliance/CatholicVote.org

Cesar V. Conda
Former Assistant for Domestic Policy to Vice President Cheney and
Board Member of Empower America

Francis Fukuyama
Dean of Faculty
The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies

Richard Gilder
Gilder Gagnon Howe & Co. LLC

Hon. Newt Gingrich
Former Speaker of the House of Representatives

Ed Goeas
President and Chief Executive Officer
The Tarrance Group

Tamar Jacoby
Senior Fellow
The Manhattan Institute

Hon. Jack Kemp
1996 Republican Vice Presidential nominee, former Representative from New York, and Co-director of Empower America

Steve Moore
Senior Fellow Cato Institute & founder of Club for Growth

Grover Norquist
President
Americans for Tax Reform

Richard W. Rahn
Senior Fellow
Discovery Institute

Hon. Malcolm Wallop
Former U.S. Senator from Wyoming and Chairman of Frontiers of Freedom

About the National Foundation for American Policy (Newt’s group!)

Started in 2003, the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP) is a non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to public policy research on trade, immigration, and other issues of national importance. Its Advisory Board members include Columbia University economist Jagdish Bhagwati, Ohio University economist Richard Vedder, Rep. Guy Vander Jagt (ret.), Cesar Conda, until recently Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief domestic policy adviser, and other prominent individuals.
These are the people who would make policy in a Newt Gingrich administration!
And it won’t be policy you approve of! Please remember Cesar Conda, Grover Norquist, Steven Moore are responsible for destroying immigration reform in 1996 as well as Prop. 187 in California.

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2007/02/newt-gingrich-conservative-not-on.html


20 posted on 09/11/2007 7:28:18 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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