(Vanity) Gardasil and the Reproductive Rights Agenda

February 2, 2007 | Rick Vassar CPCU ARM AIS ARM-P

[Rick Vassar]

In 1973, the Supreme Court, in Roe v. Wade, ruled invalid any law which would prevent a woman from terminating a pregnancy if she chooses. Let me say up front that I believe this to be the moral equivalent of thinning out the herd for most, since it seems to be one of the most fervent arguments of those who support this “right”.

What will we do with all these unwanted babies? Who will pay for them? The government can’t do it all. Besides, I have the right to choose whether I want to have this baby, and it’s none of your business.

Now, along comes Gardasil. Gardasil is being marketed as the newest miracle drug, a vaccine against the HPV virus, a sexually transmitted disease linked to cervical cancer.

Excellent! Great! Wonderful! Someone told me it could be the greatest medical breakthrough since Thalidomide.

You remember Thalidomide. It was the great miracle drug of the late 1950’s, used to relieve morning sickness and induce sleep in pregnant women. The side effects: Thalidomide stunted the growth of limbs and organs in the womb, and led to severe birth defects in the children of mothers who took Thalidomide.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I hope this stuff works, and if it is proven to be effective without any long term side effects, I will be the first to stand and cheer. The problem is that we just don’t know.

Today, Texas governor Rick Perry signed the order requiring this vaccination. West Virginia, Maryland, and Virginia, the states have introduced or are planning to introduce legislation that would make it mandatory for prepubescent females to receive this vaccine to protect them against the risk of HPV and in turn cervical cancer. This is where it gets really dicey.

As with many other drugs approved by the FDA, the long term effects are not known. If a parent should choose to have their child receive this vaccine, and it’s approved by the FDA, they can.

But to make it mandatory by statute is obscene. And where are the “pro choice” folks in this discussion. It appears they are lining up on the side of mandatory shots. If they aren’t, their silence on this issue is deafening.

Feminists should wise up. If you are for the right to choose, be for the right to choose. But if you are going to use the legislature and the courts to mandate your vision of the best interests of women, then your agenda is less rational and coherent than you have attempted to forward.

The long term effects of this vaccine have yet to be determined. Yet, the long term emotional and psychological effects of abortion on families in general and women in particular is well chronicled.

Disposable pregnancy (abortion) is forwarded, as is mandatory vaccination of females for sexually transmitted diseases. Yet the long term effects of these life decisions are not considered.

So, ladies, what is it:

Are you controlling the right to choose, or choosing the right to control?

Posted by Rick Vassar, CPCU ARM at 11:39

[isthisnickcool]

Just read my tag line

[Creationist]

The Government is only supposed to provide for national defense, and a police force to punish the bad guys.

The rest is small steps of control over our lives.

The super rich and upper government officials only think of us as CATTLE.

Public schools is a form of family separations, teaching children what they perceive as needed information, leaving out moral right and wrong, giving them the political format they wish to govern our future.

Roe vs Wade did not make the decision that the unborn was not a human life, they just said they were not citizens until they have a birth certificate.

If you are not a citizen you do not have the rights and protection of the Constitution,(except if you are an illegal alien, then you get the red carpet treatment).

[kublia khan]

"Let me say up front that I believe this to be the moral equivalent of thinning out the herd for most, since it seems to be one of the most fervent arguments of those who support this “right”."
Absolutely correct, the liberals among us who tout themselves to be the most open minded and least bigoted have killed more blacks (in the womb)as a percentage of the population then the most vile Klansman ever dreamed of killing. If the Black community ever awakens to the horrible reality of what the Democrats have done to their people in the name of "choice" the Democrats will be finished as a party.

[xcamel]

they want it both ways - pro choice and no choice. That's just not going to fly.
(and some other mental defectives have proposed it here in NY, and VT also)

[Alter Kaker]

Well tell me Rick, what to do about people like me? I oppose abortion-on-demand and I support gardasil, and other cervical cancer vaccines. This isn't "reproductive rights" nonsense, this is about eliminating a common and dangerous virus.

[perseid 67]

The vaccine is a good idea for women who are genetically predisposed to cancer. Women who have blood AB+ and A+ are more likely to develop cancer than people with other blood types, so they should receive the vaccine at sixteen.

This vaccine should not be forced on on all girls. The vaccine has not been tested on eleven year olds. The vaccine was never tested on women under sixteen. For the most part it is unusual for girls to have sex before seventeen.

Also, this vaccine may prevent two types of hpv from developing into cervical cancer. There are many other types of hpv which could still develop into cancer. Women will still need to be careful and get pap smears.

[Creationist]

People choose to smoke cigarettes, drink booze, drive fast, eat to much ECT ECT. It is there choice to make even if it may or will kill them. It is not the right of the government to dictate, control, advocate the choices, movements, life of and individual.

It is not the right of the government to make some one take a "vaccine" to help prevent something.

[Alter Kaker]

It is not the right of the government to make some one take a "vaccine" to help prevent something.

Well, be sure then to curse Uncle Sam every morning as you wake up free from tuberculosis, small pox, polio and yellow fever.

Without mandatory universal vaccination, those diseases would still be common and killing in the United States of America.

On an unrelated note, of the four diseases I mentioned, TB has made a small comeback because certain strains have evolved resistance to the vaccine...

[Creationist]

Proof of evolution?

None of those mentioned vaccinations were mandatory.

[Alter Kaker]

None of those mentioned vaccinations were mandatory.

Oh no?

[Creationist]

Oh no, sheep never check they just follow to the slaughter.

[perseid 67]

Tuberculosis, small pox, polio and yellow fever are airborne diseases that can be caught in a classroom.

HPV is contracted sexually. Those who are genetically prone to cancer should receive the HPV vaccine at age sixteen.

I despise young girls being forcibly vaccinated against a virus most of them will not catch with a vaccine which was never tested on their age range.

[Creationist]

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/smallpoxbringingdeadbacktolife21nov02.shtml

[Tench_Coxe]

You strike me as one who would have wholeheartedly supported the Tuskegee experiments. Why? You show up on every one of these threads, supporting the attempts of government to force a vaccination without parental consideration on the underaged.

The virus, contrary to your post, will not be eliminated (i.e., the papilloma virus has many variants). And, the vaccination in question is for a virus transmitted by behaviors, rather than casual communicability. So, that gives rise to some questions:

1. What is the angle you are approaching from (and, from the content of your posts, it is not out of some altruistic concern )
2. If a vaccine were touted as protection from HIV, would you be a supporter for forcing it on children (over the objection of parents) as well?

3. What music would you like played as you dance around?

[WKB]

Welcome to FR Feb.17, 2007 Rick.

[Creationist]

Dissenting Voices
Other physicians of the smallpox era were not that impressed with the vaccine. William Howard Hay MD, at an address he gave on 25 June 1937, remarked:

"…of all the insane things we have advocated in medicine - that is one of the most insane, to insist on the vaccination of children or anyone else for the prevention of smallpox, when as a matter of fact, we are not able to prove that vaccination saved one man from smallpox." [26]

[Rick Vassar]

Gardasil is available an approved. If you want it, you can get it, and insurance will probably pay for it. Making it mandatory is extremely misguided and premature. If you truly believe this will work, then go ahead, but please let those of us who do not want to have imposed upon them and their children to see the long term effects by watching what happens to those who want to take it. Sounds like a win-win to me

[perseid 67]

Making it mandatory is ridiculous!

Demanding parents of eleven year old girls inject their daughters with this vaccine borders on criminal.

I believe the people who say they know of non promiscuous women who died young of cervical cancer. Some people are just more prone to develop cancer than others. Doctors can look at blood type ,family history ,and lifestyle when figuring out who would be better off with this vaccine.

I hope Gardasil works. No one should be coerced into using this product.

[luckystarmom]

Very logical thinking. Hmm. Parents (or young women) discuss this matter with their doctors and decide if the vaccine is worth the risks. Hmm.

I would not be against making the vaccine available for free (if there is money to do that).

However, I don't think it should be mandatory.