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Secure Fence Act Has Secure Support
Captains Quarters ^ | 10-09-06 | Captain Ed

Posted on 10/09/2006 4:59:59 PM PDT by jrooney

Yesterday I analyzed the possibility that the lack of a presidential signature on the Secure Fence Act (HR 6061) might be an attempt at a pocket veto. President Bush has never given very enthusiastic support to any border solution that didn't include a plan for normalization for illegal immigrants already inside the US. Mickey Kaus started counting the days since Congress passed the bill and wondered whether the White House had decided to simply ignore the bill to death.

I took a few minutes at my lunch break to contact a senior staffer on the Hill who has worked the immigration issue. He told me that, as some CQ commenters had speculated, Congress has not formally sent the bill to the President. That means the clock has not started for his signature. The 10-day period starts only after Congress formally prints and delivers the bill for the President to sign into law.

Why has Congress waited? The Secure Fence Act, which requires that the border barrier be constructed, is a very high priority for Republican leadership in both chambers. They and the White House want to schedule the signing for what they see as the maximum impact to the midterm elections. This means waiting for other stories to fall off the front pages. My source told me that the terrorist detention and interrogation bill will be signed on October 17th, and they want this to come after that.

Expect to see this get signed somewhere between October 24th and November 1st. The White House considers this bill a front-and-center accomplishment and wants the boost to last all the way through Election Day. Bush and the Republican leadership in Congress (especially Bill Frist, I'm told) want this to get as much coverage as possible. After the signing ceremony, expect to see this bill get trumpeted in the final advertising push for all Republican incumbents running for re-election.

No one on the Hill or in the White House has missed the message from the base. Everyone understands the importance of signing this legislation for the midterms. My impression is that they didn't realize that people expected the bill to get signed at the same time as the Homeland Security appropriation, and now they understand the confusion. Bottom line: the Secure Fence Act will get signed into law.


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1 posted on 10/09/2006 5:00:00 PM PDT by jrooney
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To: jrooney

Freepers the BILL IS GOING TO GET SIGNED. For those here at speculate it will not, relax, step back and take a deep breath. It will get signed.


2 posted on 10/09/2006 5:02:13 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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The Secure Fence Act maybe one big snow job to obtain votes in the up coming election. Read the following:

The Mexican Border Fence Hoax
3 posted on 10/09/2006 5:04:31 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: jrooney

BTT


4 posted on 10/09/2006 5:04:56 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: jrooney

Rove, you magnificent bastard!


5 posted on 10/09/2006 5:05:19 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Man50D

Read the above article. Please, it is not an act. Anyone that believes that might as well vote donk.


6 posted on 10/09/2006 5:05:40 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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He'll sign the bill, attach a 'signing statement' and ignore it.

Then the Senate will defund it in an "Omnibus We've Got To Pass This Bill For The Kiddies Funding Bill" and voila the money goes someplace else.

L

7 posted on 10/09/2006 5:06:10 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
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Vote donk then. Pelosi and Reid will make this top priority. /s


8 posted on 10/09/2006 5:06:54 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: jrooney
Read the above article. Please, it is not an act. Anyone that believes that might as well vote donk.

I read the article. I am referring to the title of "the bill" that is pasted throughout the article. I suggest you read H.R. 6061's description H.R. 6061 .

You'll notice the description starts with " AN ACT To establish operational control over the international land and maritime borders of the United States."

You haven't read the link I posted if all you can comment on is terminology.
9 posted on 10/09/2006 5:19:09 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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And so what if it does. They have already cut the balls off it with the appropriations bill.

Face the facts here. Busheron and the entire establishment have signed onto the "North American Union" sell out.

Busheron has not only refused to enforce the immigration restrictions already in force, he has fought any attempts to make them stricter while endorsing every amnesty scam to come along the pike.

Wake up people, Bush is in league with the globalists over American sovereignty. How can it be more clear?
10 posted on 10/09/2006 5:46:31 PM PDT by outdriving (Diversity is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.)
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A Pocket Veto can only take place after Congress adjourns at the end of a session, not during a Recess. Not signing it does not veto it. It would be an incredibly stupid move but it is NOT a veto.

http://www.c-span.org/guide/congress/glossary/pktveto.htm

11 posted on 10/09/2006 5:49:46 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Evil Dooer, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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To: outdriving
Nice you have feelings, please stop confusing your knee jerk hate for facts.

A Pocket Veto can only take place after Congress adjourns at the end of a session, not during a Recess. Not signing it does not veto it. It would be an incredibly stupid move but it is NOT a veto.

http://www.c-span.org/guide/congress/glossary/pktveto.htm

12 posted on 10/09/2006 5:51:07 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Evil Dooer, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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Thanks. I did not know that. I wonder what the negatives here on FR will say when it is signed, funds are appropriated and the fence is built?


13 posted on 10/09/2006 5:56:23 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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The funds are appropriated IN the Bill. This is just another "Suppress the GOP turnout by splitting the Base" Democrat Dirty trick. Amazing is it not. All the angst being stirred up on the Fence Bill all comes from the Washington Post article. Gee Conservatives take the Washington Post's word over the guys who fought tooth and nail to get the bill passed.

I thought we Conservatives were smarter then that.

14 posted on 10/09/2006 5:59:23 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Evil Dooer, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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The fence is built?

We'll sing Hallelujah and dance in the streets.

But as previous posters have already stated, probably most of the money will get bled off to hi-tech copying machines, office equipment and the like.

Bush has no interest in slowing down the flow of illegals :^(

15 posted on 10/09/2006 6:03:37 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: MNJohnnie

It is sad. Michelle Malkin and her side kick "Allah", not an appropriate moniker since we are at war with radical muslims IMO, were making a bid deal out of this without doing any research, except listening to slate. Knee jerk reactions and throwing people under the bus, like Hastert, really turns me off but does not weaken my resolve to defeat the donks, the party of jackasses.


16 posted on 10/09/2006 6:03:55 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: MNJohnnie

MNJohnnie, you have to realize some people still think the Red Press is devoted to accuracy.


17 posted on 10/09/2006 6:04:46 PM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: YdontUleaveLibs

Can some explain this to me. The House Republicans defy the White House and the Senate, they refuse for months to compromise 1 inch and then finally get to a point where the Dems do not dare to fillibuster a Border bill cause it is too close to an election. They get the bill thur and NOW the Always Angry say it just a fraud? That after all the struggle and strife the House GOP just sold them out? That makes NO sense. IF the House GOP was going to do that why did they bother killing the Senate bill? There is such a thing as being irrationally paranoid folks.


18 posted on 10/09/2006 6:10:51 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Evil Dooer, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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The explaination is that 20 years of deliberate sabotaging of our immigration laws by both parties has bred a degree of cynicism that people won't believe anything is going to be done about it until they see it.

Also, instead of attacking the source of the article, why not comment on the substance? Is it true that the follow-up legislation allows the money to be spent on other than an actual fence? I notice nobody is disputing that.


19 posted on 10/09/2006 6:54:11 PM PDT by Hugin
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Vote donk then. Pelosi and Reid will make this top priority.

Many conservatives won't do that, but if the fence isn't built you can bet we'll be flooding the WH & Congressional phone and fax lines after the election.

20 posted on 10/09/2006 6:58:47 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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