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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: NicknamedBob

And tomorrow is going to be yet another big day that's coming too soon.


401 posted on 07/31/2005 7:33:10 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

A& E Crossing Jordan.
Vin Diesel in XXX is on.

Sci fi us Resident Evil.

Dsc Super Volcano.


402 posted on 07/31/2005 7:33:19 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: TAquinas

Got it!


403 posted on 07/31/2005 7:33:28 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: TAquinas

Hi TAquinas. :-)

This is the UT for August.


404 posted on 07/31/2005 7:33:58 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

Hi tuliptree76,

as another day comes to an end, another day begins.

Is this our new castle?


405 posted on 07/31/2005 7:34:52 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: tuliptree76

I like CSI Miami best.

I have a 12' wide HD theater in one room and that show has the best HD broadcast IMO.


406 posted on 07/31/2005 7:35:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

12 FEET? Wow! I just have my 20" tv. And I've never seen anything in HD before.


407 posted on 07/31/2005 7:37:10 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

"This is the UT for August."

Bookmarked.

Did you notice my "00?" My first and only one. Thank God DC was not here.


408 posted on 07/31/2005 7:37:22 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: TAquinas; NicknamedBob

Bob still has to move the castle, but he's working on it.


409 posted on 07/31/2005 7:37:45 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: TAquinas; Dead Corpse

Congrats on the 00. Actually, the 00's are open to everyone. DC gets the 666's. ;-)


410 posted on 07/31/2005 7:38:55 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

Isn't CSI on Fox Sunday nights?


411 posted on 07/31/2005 7:39:22 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: tuliptree76

I got this unbelievable buy a couple of years ago on a projector that originally went for $14,000.

The picture is far better than the movies.

I'm not watching now, I only use that to watch good stuff broadcast in HD.

I have a 60" big screen in the same room for regular broadcasts.

The replacement bulb in the projector costs hundreds to replace, so I don't watch irresponsibly there.


412 posted on 07/31/2005 7:40:42 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SandyInSeattle; A CA Guy

Right now, in the Central Time Zone, "That 70s Show" is on Fox.


413 posted on 07/31/2005 7:41:15 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: KMB
I see someone's escaped again. And then I see the escapee has been sent packing.

Zot!
414 posted on 07/31/2005 7:42:03 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: tuliptree76

I hear that is a cute show.


415 posted on 07/31/2005 7:42:05 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

My TV is so tiny compared to yours. LOL!


416 posted on 07/31/2005 7:42:23 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: KMB

Shave me Jeebus. It's full of Trolls!


417 posted on 07/31/2005 7:42:40 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: A CA Guy

It's not too bad.


418 posted on 07/31/2005 7:43:29 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

I've got CSI in the background while posting.

Fonda is being rehabilitated on CBS regardin Nam for her new treason tour.


419 posted on 07/31/2005 7:46:04 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: tuliptree76

Same here, in the western time zone. At 8:00 (10:00 your time?) CSI will come on.

I'm so confused!


420 posted on 07/31/2005 7:50:18 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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