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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: tiamat

Ewwwww.....squishy.


1,481 posted on 08/09/2005 3:09:50 PM PDT by Dawsonville_Doc (Moving to NC as fast as I can...)
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To: Tax-chick

Sound good! Recipe?


1,482 posted on 08/09/2005 3:10:17 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: tiamat

Hobbes seems to be really good at making the leftovers disappear. At least, she covers them up quite well...


1,483 posted on 08/09/2005 3:10:46 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Dawsonville_Doc

Well, they're zombies.

Zombies almost always ARE squishy!

:-)


1,484 posted on 08/09/2005 3:10:55 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: Monkey Face

Maybe she's eating them?


1,485 posted on 08/09/2005 3:11:43 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: tiamat

Ewwwwww!


1,486 posted on 08/09/2005 3:12:16 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle

2 lbs. of skinless, boneless chicken tenders, cut into bite-sized pieces, cook in skillet until done. Two packages of birdseye frozen baby vegetables, cooked in saucepan. Big pile of penne rigate, boiled. Combine in skillet with butter, lemon juice, and honey mustard. Serve with napkins.


1,487 posted on 08/09/2005 3:15:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Tax-chick

Sounds yummy! I'm always looking for new recipes to dazzle my family with.

They're my guinea pigs. :-)


1,488 posted on 08/09/2005 3:16:11 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: tiamat

I think she doesn't...she won't even eat CHEESE or a piece of HAM!

If it ain't to her liking, she'll cover it up.


1,489 posted on 08/09/2005 3:16:16 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: mware; KMB
"Sorry pal, I am not buying what you are selling."

Which is a poor grade of snake oil. And, KMB, you could NOT be more laughably wrong about Conservatives, and ALL of them OF NOTE and RESPECT, regarding the Schiavo case.

Leading Conservatives of standing and awesome Constitutional expertise ALL thought it was terribly WRONG to kill her. NO middle ground on any of it.

Where have you been?

1,490 posted on 08/09/2005 3:16:52 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: SandyInSeattle; All
Now, let's look at how this read:

From Tiamat:

It's not so bad that the zombies STAY... it's when they

leave little bits of themselves strewn about.

I hardly EVER wear shoes...Can be a real surprise on the

way to the potty to step on a finger or toe or other body-

part carelessly left behind by some shuffling zombie.

Then from DV Doc:

Ewwwww.....squishy.

and then from Miss Sandy:

Sound good! Recipe?

Surprisingly, I'm not hungry anymore....

1,491 posted on 08/09/2005 3:16:53 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Tax-chick

Would that be LARGE napkins? Or just LOTS of napkins?

I get kinda messay when I eat stuff like that!


1,492 posted on 08/09/2005 3:17:34 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Hi Heels

**Snort!**

The Undead Diet.


1,493 posted on 08/09/2005 3:18:03 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Well, kitties aren't picky!


1,494 posted on 08/09/2005 3:18:08 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: Hi Heels

LOL!

I can see where that line of posts would leave one wondering as to the sanity of the posters...

;o]


1,495 posted on 08/09/2005 3:18:35 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: tiamat; Darksheare; Conspiracy Guy; Dead Corpse

1,496 posted on 08/09/2005 3:18:52 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Monkey Face

Wow.

My cat was a fiend for cheese.

and she loved corn on the cob.


1,497 posted on 08/09/2005 3:19:02 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: Monkey Face

Why DID kamikaze pilots wear helmets...? What an interesting question.


1,498 posted on 08/09/2005 3:19:02 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Miss Behave

Hello, Miss Behave!

Drop in for our wine and cheese party?


1,499 posted on 08/09/2005 3:19:29 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle

For the Undead Threadians......


1,500 posted on 08/09/2005 3:19:43 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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