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Row over rape definition hampers EU violence directive
RTÉ News ^ | Wednesday, 3 Jan 2024 00:57 | Tommy Meskill

Posted on 01/02/2024 5:36:01 PM PST by Olog-hai

The European Union’s first directive on combating violence against women has hit a roadblock with a number of countries, including Ireland, unable to agree on a legal definition of rape.

Under the proposed text, approved by the European Parliament, the crime of rape is based on lack of consent.

However, not all member states agree on this definition, and so rape risks not being included in the directive on combating violence against women.

Ireland is among the member states that has not yet supported the current definition of rape. […]

At present, 12 members states are supporting the inclusion of a consent-based definition of rape in the directive. Ten states are against the proposal and the remaining countries are undecided.

The directive seeks to enhance and harmonize rules on combating violence against women across the European Union, so that citizens have the same rights wherever they are in the bloc. …

(Excerpt) Read more at rte.ie ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: eussr; fartyshadesofgreen; fourthreich; ireland; islam; rape; raperape; rop
So the viewpoint is that only women can get raped? Isn’t that homophobic and transphobic now?

Never mind that word “harmonize”, which means top-down lawmaking and taking away states’ rights.

BTW, the word “row” in the headline has its “ow” pronounced like in “gown” rather than like in “own”, and means a disagreement or argument rather than objects arranged in horizontal series.

1 posted on 01/02/2024 5:36:01 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I must be getting old. I remember the time when everybody actually knew what rape was.


2 posted on 01/02/2024 5:38:47 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: Olog-hai

They should not allow the racist “cosmic reparations” definition for the migrants defense.


3 posted on 01/02/2024 5:38:48 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: House Atreides

What time was that? 1980?

Even in the 90’s, while I was in college, consent could be revoked after the event. And I am not talking about when she was drunk.

And yes, a male getting raped is a bigger burden of proof.


4 posted on 01/02/2024 5:41:37 PM PST by redgolum (We are not going to make it, are we. )
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To: House Atreides

Well, this is the age where people don’t know what a woman is either.

And this directive (which is what the EU calls their lower level of dictates, the higher level being “regulations”) is supposed to center around violence against women.


5 posted on 01/02/2024 5:42:20 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai
E.U. definitions:

(1) Rape by migrant = "sexual emergency"
(2) Rape against Jewish woman = "resistance"

6 posted on 01/02/2024 5:44:29 PM PST by montag813
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To: Olog-hai

The EU is incredibly gynocentric, thats why they are trying to do it this way. Wish they went after paternity fraud and people marrying others under false pretenses the same way.


7 posted on 01/02/2024 6:01:26 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

They look androcentric to me, although the males in question are undoubtedly effete. The few women allowed into power are themselves androgynes.


8 posted on 01/02/2024 6:04:44 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai
["...a number of countries, including Ireland, unable to agree on a legal definition of rape."]


9 posted on 01/02/2024 6:06:38 PM PST by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: Olog-hai

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52022PC0105

Article 5
Rape

1.Member States shall ensure that the following intentional conduct is punishable as a criminal offence:

(a)engaging with a woman in any non-consensual act of vaginal, anal or oral penetration of a sexual nature, with any bodily part or object;

(b)causing a woman to engage with another person in any non-consensual act of vaginal, anal or oral penetration of a sexual nature, with any bodily part or object.

2.Member States shall ensure that a non-consensual act is understood as an act which is performed without the woman’s consent given voluntarily or where the woman is unable to form a free will due to her physical or mental condition, thereby exploiting her incapacity to form a free will, such as in a state of unconsciousness, intoxication, sleep, illness, bodily injury or disability.

3.Consent can be withdrawn at any moment during the act. The absence of consent cannot be refuted exclusively by the woman’s silence, verbal or physical non-resistance or past sexual conduct.


10 posted on 01/02/2024 6:19:30 PM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: PLMerite

“Brace yourself, Effie”

Mrs Doubtfire


11 posted on 01/02/2024 6:52:41 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Olog-hai

It’s probably not rape when a migrant of color does it.


12 posted on 01/02/2024 7:27:58 PM PST by rbg81
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To: Olog-hai

Sounds like the politicization of the word. Lemme guess, grape does not include immigrants and now includes regret grape, where consent is revoked afterwards because he dumped you.


13 posted on 01/02/2024 9:06:11 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Olog-hai

You mean “Rape” Rape.


14 posted on 01/02/2024 9:08:28 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DoodleBob

It should make explicit that it is rape when committed through violence, threats of any sort, or fraud.


15 posted on 01/02/2024 10:07:11 PM PST by Chicory
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