Posted on 04/27/2022 12:07:54 PM PDT by algore
Boeing employees mocked federal rules, talked about deceiving regulators and joked about potential flaws in the 737 Max as it was being developed, according to over a hundred pages of internal messages delivered Thursday to congressional investigators.
“I still haven’t been forgiven by God for the covering up I did last year,” one of the employees said in messages from 2018, apparently in reference to interactions with the Federal Aviation Administration.
The most damaging messages included conversations among Boeing pilots and other employees about software issues and other problems with flight simulators for the Max, a plane later involved in two accidents, in late 2018 and early 2019, that killed 346 people and threw the company into chaos.
The employees appear to discuss instances in which the company concealed such problems from the F.A.A. during the regulator’s certification of the simulators, which were used in the development of the Max, as well as in training for pilots who had not previously flown a 737.
“Would you put your family on a Max simulator trained aircraft? I wouldn’t,” one employee said to a colleague in another exchange from 2018, before the first crash. “No,” the colleague responded.
In another set of messages, employees questioned the design of the Max and even denigrated their own colleagues. “This airplane is designed by clowns, who are in turn supervised by monkeys,” an employee wrote in an exchange from 2017.
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P.S. the SLS is the worst thing since Challenger.
McDonnell-Douglass poisoned Boeing.
Companies like Boeing are in a money cycle with the government.
Those companies put enormous effort into squeezing dollars out of government contracts. That’s their focus. Building stuff is very much a secondary concern. Meanwhile, the federal bureaucrats only have jobs because there are companies like Boeing to watch over. The government people know what game is being played, but if they make noise about it, the game changes and the bureaucracy shrinks. So the government people are also focused on funneling as much money as possible to companies like Boeing.
And round and round she goes. The whole thing is probably 90% focused on distribution of money. And in their spare time they build planes and stuff.
“McDonnell-Douglass poisoned Boeing”
YES
“McDonnell-Douglass poisoned Boeing.”
That’s been said but my FIL worked for Boeing at Everett from 1957-1972. He found Boeing to be just as nonsensical then as now.
“Those companies put enormous effort into squeezing dollars out of government contracts. That’s their focus. Building stuff is very much a secondary concern. “
Boeing makes more on the commercial aircraft side than you know. The defense contracts account for about 25% of Boeing, but the other 75% also has higher profit margins by a large margin.
Let’s talk about the pre-MAX 737 assembly lines using hammers to align/assemble hand cut fuselage sections (rather than the prescribed CNC machining per specs).
The culture at Boeing was sliding long before the merger - and those McDonnell Douglas executives - came along. The merger just exacerbated it.
This is a DATED problem left unresolved by FAA/NTSB...who later granted Boeing oversight over the 737 MAX approval process.
We all know what happened next. Russian Roulette is the same regardless of whether there are 5 empty chambers, or a million.
Enjoy your next flight. /s
Uncle worked on the SST, he told me if you worked for Boeing in the 60s you had a 2nd livelihood to see uou thru the layoffs. He built nicely crafted violins during layoffs and did quite a bit of electrical work too.
What is SLS? Thanks.
The 737-Max should be fixed and put into service.
I don’t find any joy in witnessing the downfall of companies like Disney and Boeing. These companies embodied American values and symbolized the greatness of this country. Unfortunately, the left got their hands on them and did what the left does best, destroy.
Your uncle was right. My FIL left Boeing in the 1972 downturn and never returned. Boeing has constant layoffs, pretty much one or more times a year.
It is back in service. I flew on one recently. It seemed much quieter than a regular 737.
Believing it - any large organizations of HUMANS is bound to be screwy.
“I still haven’t been forgiven by God for the covering up I did last year,” one of the employees said in messages from 2018, apparently in reference to interactions with the Federal Aviation Administration.
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It’s all fun and games until a jet crashes and takes out several hundred lives.
This sort of email is a classic smoking gun where someone should be going to prison.
What is the SLS?
Yeah, adultery is bad.
The wise King Solomon even said the adulterer “destroys his own soul” ( Proverbs 6:32 ).
An intelligent 3rd grader could have seen the horrible issues with Boeing’s design. It was just that bad. No one needed to die like that. And yet no criminal charges. They still have not fixed the main problem that would have saved those plains.
The stab cut off switches need a 3rd position that allows the pilots to still use the manual electric buttons on their yoke while disconnecting from any computer control. At this point power to the motors themselves is either fully enabled(from all sources) or completely off.
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