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ABC News: Senator Ted Cruz And 7 Other Politicians At The Heart Of Birther Conspiracies
http://abcnews.go.com/story?id=18773244# ^

Posted on 03/21/2013 4:37:24 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is at the center of the latest "birther" conspiracy. But he's not the first to face this line of questioning.

A handful of politicians have been targeted in the last few years with the same accusation -- that they are not fit for the Presidency because they do not meet the constitutionally-mandated eligibility requirement of being a "natural-born" U.S. citizen.

Confusion around who qualifies as a "natural born" citizen has contributed to the debate, as the Constitution does not explicitly define the phrase. Some incorrectly presume it only includes people born within the boundaries of the United States. In fact, by U.S. citizenship law you can be American "at birth" or a "natural born citizen" under a few circumstances that don't involve being born on the mainland. For example, if you're born on a U.S. military base abroad, like in Panama, that counts. You are still categorized as being American "at birth" if one or both of your parents are U.S. citizens and fit a list of long and complicated requirements that arebroken down here.

Check out our list of politicians who have battled "birther" claims.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 113th; bobbyjindal; congress; corruption; cruz; electionfraud; jindal; marcorubio; mccain; mediabias; mexico; naturalborncitizen; obama; rubio; teaparty; tedcruz; texas
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To: meadsjn
If we are concerned that Obama, who has never shown any interest in British citizenship, is thereby disqualified, then the oaths of prior generations are immaterial as they do not affect their grandchildren from later claiming Irish citizenship.

And the notion that all Jews' might well indeed be unqualified is as obscene as it is silly.

In short, you failed to address the substance of my post, which is that "potential for dual citizenship" does not, has not and should not affect Natural Born Citizen status.
121 posted on 03/23/2013 12:33:26 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: meadsjn
Just so we don't get sidetracked, actual dual citizenship may be something else entirely. But you said "potential claim to citizenship in any other country", which cannot be supported by either the Constitution or by logic, unless you're willing to write off Jews and Irish-Americans, among others.
122 posted on 03/23/2013 12:39:36 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: lonestar

Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban.


123 posted on 03/23/2013 2:28:55 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Jack Black
No one has ever mentioned that before?

SvenMagnussen has mentioned it hundreds of times.
124 posted on 03/23/2013 2:31:10 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: LucyT
Sven: "I’ll report your threats to the U.S. Attorney and let the U.S. Attorney decide if you should be charged with a crime. Is that fair?"


125 posted on 03/23/2013 2:36:29 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Cruz was born in Canada to a female American citizen whose Cuban husband was on a job in Canada.


126 posted on 03/23/2013 3:17:15 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

What makes you say that? Do you know who will be charged with what?


127 posted on 03/23/2013 3:21:09 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: SvenMagnussen; Josephat; Cold Case Posse Supporter; Ray76

Sven,

you have seen the immigration docs on file for 0.

You need to file that affidavit (like the Hawaii clerk did for his info )ASAP!

Please do so!


128 posted on 03/23/2013 4:00:49 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: SvenMagnussen; WildHighlander57; Cold Case Posse Supporter
Regarding your claim to have seen a 1983 Certificate of Naturalization, reporting it is your moral duty as a citizen and is required by law.

Conversly, it would probably be prudent to refrain from making claims of knowledge of a felony if you have no intention of reporting it. The felony I refer to is a naturalized citizen's document fraud, among other crimes. (In other words, if you have seen a Certificate of Naturalization then what's that thing on the WH website? A fraud!)

You may wish to contact Mike Zullo of the Cold Case Posse and provide him with your information, perhaps as a confidential informant. I'm sure he can be reached via the sheriff's office MCSO.ORG. If readers have Zullo's direct contact info, please share.

If you have already reported I congratulate you! I sincerly hope you can tell us that you have.

If you have not and are concerned about a liability due to how you came view the Certificate - whether it was inadvertently viewed in the course of legitimate business, by an abuse of authority, by engaging in an activity in violation of law, or by some other means - and wish to have your identity protected, there are state and federal laws that protect confidential informants. It probably would be prudent to consult with legal counsel prior to agreeing to perform any activities as a confidential informant.

Or admit that your claim has been a fib.

Or continue to post unsubstaintiated claims and suffer diminished credibility.

The decision is yours.

However, if your claim is true it is of enormous importance. It's importance can not be overstated.

And by the way there is nothing threatening in anything I have posted nor is there any urging to criminal acts - so don't come back with that nonsense. To the contrary: I implore you to fulfill your duty and abide by law and report your information. In my opinion, to have the claimed information and to do nothing is accessory.

Do you really think the person(s) installing an ineligible person are going to let themselves be caught. What you claim is HUGE. Don't sit on it!!! For your own sake if not for country.

129 posted on 03/23/2013 5:12:02 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: lonestar
Cruz was born in Canada...

So, what's your point?
130 posted on 03/23/2013 7:48:53 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Ray76

You read it on a public message board. It’s reported. My website, http://svenmagnussen.blogspot.com has received thousands of views. I’m provided cross-linking information in my website stats and see information from my website cross-posted on websites from a variety of sources.

How could you possibly believe the information has not been reported? Sheriff Arpaio and Lt. Zullo are singularly focused on Obama’s original long form birth certificate. I have repeatedly informed anyone willing to listen the original long form birth certificate was sealed and archived after the Soetoro adoption was finalized in Hawaii.

Governor Abercrombie (D-HI) has confirmed, after Tim Adams came forward and announced Obama’s original BC was not available for inspection to those who have authority to inspect it, the original was sealed and archived. This is important because a sealed document cannot be used in any Court or administrative hearing for any purpose. Yet, Arpaio and Zullo remained singularly focused on a document that cannot be presented or used in any Court or adminstrative hearing.

People who beleive Obama is not eligible should study the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Anyone who has read these rules will quickly surmize the original long form BC is a deadend after Gov. Abercrombie confirmed it was sealed and archived. Courts are not allowed to examine or opine on a sealed document for any reason.

Let me explain it to you in the vernacular you may be able to understand. YOU’RE BEING PUNKED BY ZULLO AND ARPAIO! The original long form BC is a misdirection play designed to look like someone is doing something when they know the BC was sealed and can’t be used in any Court for any reason.


131 posted on 03/23/2013 9:11:18 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: WildHighlander57

Carefully read msg 131 of this thread.


132 posted on 03/23/2013 9:16:06 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: Brown Deer; MestaMachine; thouworm; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; dragonblustar; jersey117; Velveeta; ...

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Sven......?

Now what?

Thanks, Brown Deer.

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133 posted on 03/23/2013 9:18:04 PM PDT by LucyT (In the 20th century 260 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Ray76; SvenMagnussen; WildHighlander57; Cold Case Posse Supporter

Focusing on 1961 has long been a losing proposition.

There is certainly avoidance of 1971.

In December of 1971 something happened. What?

The path to 1961 through official records is certainly long and torturous. Between divorces, adoptions, nullified adoptions, etc. the records have been mangled - probably beyond repair.

The only fact that is worthwhile is that that documents (images) presented thus far are frauds or photos of printed frauds.

But 1971 is avoided. Why?


134 posted on 03/23/2013 9:19:59 PM PDT by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: Brown Deer

Finishing your sentence...was my point.


135 posted on 03/23/2013 9:39:35 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: LucyT
Thanks ... been scanning and seeing dead-end. Logical but am not an attorney.
136 posted on 03/23/2013 9:40:51 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: SvenMagnussen; Admin Moderator; Red Steel; null and void; LucyT

“Let me explain it to you in the vernacular you may be able to understand. YOU’RE BEING PUNKED BY ZULLO AND ARPAIO! The original long form BC is a misdirection play designed to look like someone is doing something when they know the BC was sealed and can’t be used in any Court for any reason.”

That is one of the most baseless, offensive slanders of patriotic Americans that I have ever seen on FR. Also, this claim by SvenMagnussen is totally illogical and lacking any supporting evidence. It is SvenMagnussen who is obviously trying to “PUNK” FReepers, IMO.

Zullo and Arpaio have scrupulously conducted a forensic investigation of POTUS Barry’s alleged BC at the greatest possible personal and professional risk. They have made their findings public to the extent appropriate at the current state of the investigation.


137 posted on 03/23/2013 10:12:47 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Ping to an over-the-top slander of Mike Zullo and Sheriff Arpaio...


138 posted on 03/23/2013 10:13:47 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Jack Black
“Obama has a certificate of Naturalization?”

Hell no, he's an illegal alien that came here as a citizen of Indonesia when he immigrated and went to Occadental College.!

139 posted on 03/23/2013 10:23:37 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: SvenMagnussen
Can you please clarify paragraph one?

How can I believe the info has not been reported? Why should I? Have you? Yes or no, please.

In paragraph three you speak of the "birth certificate". My question to you has been your claim that YOU HAVE SEEN A CERTIFICATE OF NATURALIZATION. HAVE YOU?

Zullu, Arpaio - I DON'T CARE. HAVE YOU SEEN A CERTIFICATE OF NATURALIZATION? YES OR NO. HAVE YOU REPORTED IT? YES OR NO.

Simple questions - simple answers. Fork em over.

You gonna answer? Directly? Or more bs and misdirection?

140 posted on 03/23/2013 10:32:56 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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