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Noone in the Mac community is suggesting that OS X is inpenetrable or that Mac users should not use best practices. We're simply saying that Mac OS X has a proven track record of being demonstrably safer than Windows, thanks to better software engineering. The Microsoft stooges who claim that the Mac's excellent safety record is attributable entirely to market share are wrong. If Mac OS X had the same shoddy design as Windows, we'd have a plague of virus infections too.

Yeah right. I never said windows was on par with Mac's security either, but yet the MAC faithful rally to their defense giving the perception it's impossible to have a virus in the wild on it. All I really started with is by saying security by obscurity is no real security. I never said MAC only relies on obscurity; however, it is a fact that windows is a much larger targeted platform.

I guess I confue everone :-D I do like the idea that we make that part of the FR lexicon.

[Swordmaker]

but yet the MAC faithful. . .

Why are you so obsessed with Media Access Control? In case you haven't figured it out, it is "Mac" not "MAC"; it is not an acronym.

All I really started with is by saying security by obscurity is no real security.

Which implies that Macs are secure because they are "obscure". To which I pointed out the fallacy of that position. I agree, Windows is a much larger target... but it is also an easier target by far.