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Posted on 01/02/2007 11:46:14 AM PST by pjr12345
Below are all the biblical references to Mary, the mother of Jesus that I could locate. Anything beyond Scriptural references is conjecture, the philosophies of men and not God.
Would anyone care to construct a Scripturally accurate portrait of Mary, leaving behind extra-biblical sources?
Please include your Scriptural references in support of your description.
Isaiah 7:13-14
Matthew 1:13-25; 2:11, 14, 20-21; 12: 46-50; 13:54-56
Mark 3:31-35; 6:3
Luke 1:26-56; 2:1-7, 16-19, 27, 33-35, 39, 41-51; 8:19-21
John 2:1-12; 6:41-42; 19:25-26
Acts 1:14
Bullheadedness eh?, so much for not pulling the speck from your neighbors eye before you pull the log from your own...
This can easily be resolved by agreeing to use the
What religion are you?
Disallowed.
Is the http://www.drbo.org/ the allowed scripture?
Disallowed.
... pay no attention to the truth behind the curtain ...
Disallowed.
Looks like Douay-Rheims is disallowed...
Okay, start with the ones in the "used, in good condition" the bibles with 66 books , 27 in the new and 39 in the old testaments. You be on the right track. I hope that helped.
See previous post 128
I dunno if I can see a good reason to exclude some of the scriptures Christ and the apostles quoted from but I'll try to piece together a list...
I go to non-denominational Christian church and we take Communion very seriously, but we don't take it ...more than once a month.
A believer of God through faith in our Lord Savior Christ Jesus.
What "true Catholic Church" is that? Where would I find it?
All of the mainstream, orthodox Protestant denominations pay at least lipservice to the early councils. One of them, the Council of Ephesus in AD 431, affirmed the application of the title Theotokos (literally, God-bearer, "bear" here in the sense of "to give birth to," not merely "to carry") to Mary, in opposition to the heresy of Nestorius, which said that Mary could only be called Christotokos ("Christ-bearer"). Nestorius believed that Jesus was essentially two persons "stuck together", one divine, and one human, and that only the human person had been born of a woman. That is false and contrary to Scripture.
Mary was a woman who bore the child, our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, in His humanity, NOT His DIETY.
First off, the word is "deity", not "diety".
Second, what does it mean to "bear a child in his humanity"? Was the child she bore a divine person, or not? "Mother" describes the relationship of a person (the mother) to another person (the child). In orthodox Christology (whether Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or mainstream Protestant), the child Mary bore is the Incarnate second Person of the Blessed Trinity.
Which is precisely another way of saying that the child Mary bore was, and is, God in the flesh. That makes Mary precisely the God-bearer, which was brought into English (via Latin) as "Mother of God".
And if you think that's blasphemy, take it up with Martin Luther, because he defended it more eloquently than I can.
Hey Kolokotronis! You just KNEW I had to chime in, didn't you? :o) Hope I am representing what is taught in 1 Peter 3:15, as well as Titus 2:7-8.
Here is a defense of praying ONLY to God, the Father and to the Son, rather to Mary (yes you made me look up Theotokos...Greeks and their terms. Sheesh!)
BTW, why does the website that you referred me to (http://www.goarch.org/) speak of "The bishops traditionally represented are James, the brother of the Lord..." (here: http://www.goarch.org/en/special/listen_learn_share/dormition/learn/ -about mid page refering to the icon)? Does this not mean that Mary had more children and is not the Ever Virgin? Or is it just lower case t tradition, and a false one according to your church? I'll bet the RCC agrees with me that the OC does this sort of thing just to give us all a collective headache.
As for prayer this is what Jesus said:
Luke 11:1It happened that while Jesus was praying in a certain place, after He had finished, one of His disciples said to Him, "Lord, teach us to pray just as John also taught his disciples."
2And He said to them, " When you pray, say:
'Father, hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
3'Give us each day our daily bread.
4'And forgive us our sins,
For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.'"
Does Jesus Himself teach us to pray to others? Or does He teach us to pray to the Father without a necessary human intercession?
In 1 Timothy Paul teaches
2: 5For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
6who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
7For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
Does Paul teach that there is more than one intercessor? In the same way, he is saying there is only one God, not one of many, there is only one intercessor. Therefore Mary is a false intercessor, and prayer to her is heresy, and putting faith in a false saviour! We will always argue about the saviour bit, but without her intercession is our salvation effectual? If yes, why is she a necessary part of prayer and faith? If not, then why is it NOT part of the written Gospel, the Good News, handed down to such as Luke, (see Luke 1).
Why would John, her adopted son, not write about it in his Gospel or Epistles if it is so central to small c catholic and small o orthodox faith? It is simply not documented in the Scripture.
No, we don't cover our heads. Women do not pass out the communion, but we still sing (I'm on the worship team) and sometimes our co-Pastor who is a woman preaches.
If typology is "utter conjecture," then the evangelists, St. Paul, and most of the church fathers are guilty of "utter conjecture".
Who set you up as the authority on how Scripture is to be exegeted and used? Nobody; you have no such authority. Not only that, but you're clearly making up the rules as you go.
According to 1 Cortinthians women should not preach, nor should wives pray with their heads uncovered.
The women at my church follow these commandments of God. (Even the one's in the choir).
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