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Study Suggests Difference Between Lesbians' Brains
AP ^ | May 9, 2006 | Randolph E. Schmid

Posted on 05/09/2006 9:28:23 AM PDT by TexCon

Lesbians' brains react differently to sex hormones than those of heterosexual women, new research indicates.

That's in line with an earlier study that had indicated gay men's brain responses were different from straight men - though the difference for men was more pronounced than has now been found in women.

Lesbians' brains reacted somewhat, though not completely, like those of heterosexual men, a team of Swedish researchers said in Tuesday's edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

A year ago, the same group reported findings for gay men that showed their brain response to hormones was similar to that of heterosexual women.

In both cases the findings add weight to the idea that homosexuality has a physical basis and is not learned behavior.

"It shows sexual orientation may very well have a different basis between men and women ... this is not just a mirror image situation," said Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario.

"The important thing is to be open to the likely situation that there are biological factors that contribute to sexual orientation," added Witelson, who was not part of the research team.

The research team led by Ivanka Savic at the Stockholm Brain Institute had volunteers sniff chemicals derived from male and female sex hormones. These chemicals are thought to be pheromones - molecules known to trigger responses such as defense and sex in many animals.

Whether humans respond to pheromones has been debated, although in 2000 American researchers reported finding a gene that they believe directs a human pheromone receptor in the nose.

The same team reported last year on a comparison of the response of male homosexuals to heterosexual men and women. They found that the brains of gay men reacted more like those of women than of straight men.

The new study shows a similar, but weaker, relationship between the response of lesbians and straight men.

Heterosexual women found the male and female pheromones about equally pleasant, while straight men and lesbians liked the female pheromone more than the male one. Men and lesbians also found the male hormone more irritating than the female one, while straight women were more likely to be irritated by the female hormone than the male one.

All three groups rated the male hormone more familiar than the female one. Straight women found both hormones about equal in intensity, while lesbians and straight men found the male hormone more intense than the female one.

The brains of all three groups were scanned when sniffing male and female hormones and a set of four ordinary odors. Ordinary odors were processed in the brain circuits associated with smell in all the volunteers.

In heterosexual males the male hormone was processed in the scent area but the female hormone was processed in the hypothalamus, which is related to sexual stimulation. In straight women the sexual area of the brain responded to the male hormone while the female hormone was perceived by the scent area.

In lesbians, both male and female hormones were processed the same, in the basic odor processing circuits, Savic and her team reported.

Each of the three groups of subjects included 12 healthy, unmedicated, right-handed and HIV-negative individuals.

The research was funded by the Swedish Medical Research Council, Karolinska Institute and the Wallenberg Foundation.

05/08/06 17:01 EDT


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: biopsychological; brain; duplicate; gay; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; lesbian; nature; nurture; search
I'm studying for AP tests right now but thought this would be an interesting topic for discussion. The debate between nurture and nature continues to insight much sentiment from both sides. Now, I'm not really into biology that much, but I was wondering if the fact that someone chooses to be gay could influence their biological make-up, thus this data could be cited for both sides of the argument. I'll try to check back soon on this. No promises though. I need to save some money during my college studies by placing out on some AP tests. Thursday will be the latest I check though. So, what do y'all think? Nurture or nature?
1 posted on 05/09/2006 9:28:26 AM PDT by TexCon
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To: All

I will say that reliability should be crucial here. Three stratified groups of only 12 individuals each.


2 posted on 05/09/2006 9:35:34 AM PDT by TexCon ("Strike while the iron is hot, and make it hotter by striking"-Oliver Cromwell)
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To: TexCon
Who really knows on these issues. However, what one does or acts out (in response to stimuli) is the results of a decision.
3 posted on 05/09/2006 9:44:20 AM PDT by RAY
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To: RAY

Skinner and Pavlov would disagree, but I completely hear ya.


4 posted on 05/09/2006 9:46:18 AM PDT by TexCon ("Strike while the iron is hot, and make it hotter by striking"-Oliver Cromwell)
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To: TexCon

How does this help to explain those who are bi-sexual?

Can they quantify, with just 36 people, whether what they observe is caused by lesbianism or is the effect of it?

That said, if true, this is just more proof that I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body. LOL


5 posted on 05/09/2006 10:16:30 AM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: TexCon

This is not rocket science. A very tiny percentage of people are born with mixed up X & Y genes. They have a cross to bear just like someone with any other birth defect. However, the VAST MAJORITY of gay people are simply at the feeding frenzie banquet of "If it feels good do it."


6 posted on 05/09/2006 10:49:42 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: TexCon

Did you place the story in the "Smoky Backroom"?


7 posted on 05/09/2006 11:55:59 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Integrityrocks

and you would know this because....?


8 posted on 05/09/2006 10:33:54 PM PDT by emerson40
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Study Suggests Difference Between Lesbians' Brains

Actually, false headline; should be:

Researchers faithfully Claim there are Lesbian Brains & "Suggest" they react differently

"It shows sexual orientation may very well have a different basis between men and women ... this is not just a mirror image situation," said Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario.

This is umpteenth time I have heard of this news propaganda -probably, the fifth time I have seen it posted on FR. I note that this "research" premised in voodoo science is commented on favorably by a renowned expert on the fallacy of an innate "sexual orientation" separate from the physical reality of sexual organs. Sandra Witelson, the "sexual orientation" expert, states: "It shows sexual orientation may very well have a different basis between men and women..."

I state that Sandra Witelson's statement objectively by default proves that this "expert" knows there exists no scientifically identified and or proved basis with which to claim an innate "sexual orientation" separate from the physical reality of sexual organs exists let alone claim such a brain exists or even shockingly research such nonexistent things and correlate their supposed reactions to stimuli!

Without an innate "sexual orientation" separate from the physical reality of sexual organs any research such as this can only be legitimately premised in Behavioral Psychology with any reactions studied and correlated to actual observed and or documented practiced behaviors and or activities.

Could one imagine if Pavlov conducted his research with the false premise that within the dog population there exists an innate "salivation orientation" separate from the digestive organs? What if Pavlov assumed as well that there were "Salivator Brains"?

ROTFLMAO

Simply put, this is delusional research for the delusional...

10 posted on 05/10/2006 10:53:19 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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I think that you are putting way too much time and energy into this.

The vast majority of all sexual behavior is voluntary. Men can be hetero all their life, but put them in prison and suddenly they take to screwing other men. As an show of power (that's what rape is) or just for getting ;some', it's voluntary. Outside of prison, it can just be part of breaking taboos or for the thrill. Genes screwed up? Some, but minute in numbers.

Women, after being treated badly by men, or the fear of such bad treatment, decide that they'll 'never be screwed by another man.' Literally and figuratively, it becomes true. One hurt woman finds compassion and sympathy in the arms of another woman who treats them with TLC.

If these women chose their men better (and if more men were better men) we'd see a lot less lebianism. Except in porn, that is. Two naked women are almost always better than one.


11 posted on 05/10/2006 11:25:15 AM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: TexCon
"Skinner and Pavlov would disagree -- "

I would hope, that for man, whether to act on an impulse or not, initially, involves a conscious decision.

Many of us would be in great trouble if we acted on all of our impulses.

It does seem our society has generally become much more conditioned to acceptance of certain aberrant behaviors.

13 posted on 05/11/2006 4:12:23 AM PDT by RAY
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To: TexCon
In both cases the findings add weight to the idea that homosexuality has a physical basis and is not learned behavior.

That was written by some one with an agenda. The statement adds weight is not proof but an assumption by those with the presupposition that homosexuals are born that way. That they did not chose there life style.

I could also be said that homosexual behavior has a physical reaction that reacts through learned behavior.
14 posted on 05/11/2006 8:54:35 PM PDT by Creationist (If the earth is old show me your proof. Salvation from the judgment of your sins is free.)
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To: Badray

Haha! That's hilarious.


15 posted on 05/12/2006 9:38:38 AM PDT by TexCon ("Strike while the iron is hot, and make it hotter by striking"-Oliver Cromwell)
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To: DBeers

So true...


16 posted on 05/12/2006 9:40:10 AM PDT by TexCon ("Strike while the iron is hot, and make it hotter by striking"-Oliver Cromwell)
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To: RAY

It allows for a reliable system of excuses for our actions in society sadly.


17 posted on 05/12/2006 9:41:08 AM PDT by TexCon ("Strike while the iron is hot, and make it hotter by striking"-Oliver Cromwell)
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To: TexCon
In both cases the findings add weight to the idea that homosexuality has a physical basis and is not learned behavior.

A female friend of mine, approximately 40 years old and going through a divorce, decided to start sleeping with other women and is now living full time with a 25 year old woman that she met in a bar.

My questions to her:

Q: Is this your first homosexual experience?
A: Yes.

Q: Why now?
A: Just decided to try something different.

Q: Do you consider yourself a lesbian or bisexual?
A: I'm not sure.

So while there are probably some genetically predisposed homosexuals on the planet (after all, there's a few billion of us), I believe that most people engaging in same gender sex have simply chosen homosexuality.

18 posted on 05/13/2006 6:54:25 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: TexCon

I heard two of the scents used for the study were fish and Birckenstocks. Lesbian brain had very positive reaction to them.


19 posted on 05/17/2006 11:42:55 AM PDT by Johnny_T (http://johnnytriangles.blogspot.com)
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To: Johnny_T
I'd always heard that Lesbians were very clever at foreign languages.... so I wasn't surprised by this study.

I knew that there was obviously going to be some scientific basis for Lesbians being considered
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20 posted on 06/16/2006 3:19:49 PM PDT by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass)
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