Here's who you will be rubbing shoulders with at the Minuteman Project and why I want NO part of it or with anyone who promotes it:
Google "minuteman project stormfront" typical results:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=164831&page=1&pp=10
http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-179954Mexican_drug_violence_moves_north_of_the_Border..html
http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-171829Get_active_on_illegal_immigration.html
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=178023&page=1
Who has been posting this kind of stormfront stuff?
This is the first I've ever heard of it.
I'm also curious, it's one thing to post such stuff to someone who's egging you on to ban him (Hoverbug), but why did you post that to wardaddy of all people??
Google stormfront "free republic" and you'll find a thread on stormfront about the racist whackos "infiltrating" Free Republic. There's no doubt that some of them are regular posters right now and that's who every other FReeper is "rubbing shoulders with". Should Free Republic be banned from other sites? Should my internet filter suddenly start blocking Free Republic as a racist site? No. You can't practically control that kind of thing and can only make decisions based upon what a poster does once he's here. The same goes for the Minuteman Project (with which, by the way, I have no involvement.)
Google "minuteman project stormfront" typical results:
And since some racist whacko on Stormfront decides to mention the Minuteman Project a few times, all of a sudden the entire Minuteman Project is racist? Since some racist white trash posts a list of links or two that include minutemanproject.org that makes the whole thing racist too? So, if they linked to Free Republic, would that make FR racist? If they linked to a planned FReep or rally, would that make the FReep, rally, or Free Republic somehow racist? I'm sorry to say it, but your logic here is faulty, Jim. I totally understand your need to protect FR from becoming a racist website polluted with racist threads. That's why you have a long-standing policy against such things and very rightly have the threads deleted and the racist posters banned. But this? This is not right.
I had only seen a few threads even mention the Minuteman Project and your typical race-baiters showed up and told their lies, but not much more than that. Suddenly you're banning people, pulling threads, and causing a real disturbance that is not making FR look good. I just think you've jumped to a bad conclusion or were mislead by someone and the action you took wasn't wise. I was hoping that you would see some reason and find a way to fix this while saving face. Instead the only post you've made to this entire thread on the topic was another weak attempt to link Stormfront to the Minuteman Project. (The link is one way - some nut from SF likes MP, yet MP isn't intentionally having anything to do with SF.)
What a mess. It pains me to see the division this thing has caused on Free Republic. It hurts to see so many other sites (and possibly media) jump on this to damage Free Republic. I've seen FR survive worse stuff than this. But this time the wound is self-inflicted.
To: Cultural Jihad Your racist thoughts are not becoming. Have you been boning up at SF?
2,686 posted on 02/13/2005 1:39:01 PM EST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
Good Morning.
I see there is no rest for the wicked...not just you....everyone on this thread...a thread that should have petered out by now.
Well....until a few days ago I had never ever visited any of these sites....other than LP which once had a thread labeling me a Bushbot, I've never been anywhere but here and Trixies back in the now old days. I bet Todd is cutting and pasting this quick as he can...probably already has....lol
I have since visited VDare, Alipac and Michelle Malkin's blog and now even Minutemen after your post this morning.
You have provided me links from Stormfront to Minuteman Project by I assume Stormfront members. I don't think anyone could argue that border control types getting into bed with Stormfronters is bad but I did not see on any of those sites where they themselves linked to Stormfront. Maybe I missed something. That is what I said on my last post last nite. However I have not studied them. FR is my site and I have fought for my views here aplenty over the years.. haven't needed another site.
I don't agree with you on immigration. That is painfully obvious I reckon but unless you know something the rest of us don't, I was unaware that some of those banned were Stormfront Neo-Nazis.
As I have said before, I am not in favor of amnesty in any form, open borders nor massive legal immigration from anywhere. And from what I have seen on this forum, somewhere between 70-80% of freepers do not support the president's plan.
Anyone can link to anywhere from anywhere.
Sure some Stormfront members share my views on severely curtailed immigration. Does that make me guilty of something?
I bet Ward Churchill and hard core militant lefties share your more "open" views. I would prefer not to tar you with that brush simply because of that commonality. We are not responsible for others sharing our views.
I am curious. You claim to be against illegal immigration and open borders.
Do you JR want amnesty for illegals?
Do you think the border should be secured or closed as best possible?
Do you think legal immigration should be limited to those with needed skills or our allies being persecuted politically and needing refuge?
Do you think immigration numbers should be limited due to sheer magnitude as well?
I have not even touched on the post 9-11 implications, that's another thread.
Those are the basis of my views.
I spent a fortune getting my ex-wife legal and now the law is just ignored and lawbreakers are rewarded.
I have never asked you these questions, in fact I never argue with you period. I am here mainly for news, friends...many of whom I know personally and to support the forum and the cause which I have more than most I'd venture. I usually only get entangled on these threads now and have always had rough play on the South-bshing threads and it's no coincidence that my opponents here on immigration are virtually the same as on the South-bashing threads. I realize you don't understand South-bashing threads and that we must look like antiquated fools to you but it comes back to culture...my culture and I fear you and I have divergent views on just what that is and I'm not sure that can be helped. It is not a cliche that we all have perspective shaped by our personal bias...everyone here.
I do not think this site is overrun with racists, quite the contrary, I think it is overrun by a tiny group of very loud race baiters many of whom have a personal dog in this hunt and who have had an unrestrained field day here the past few days. My first post here was to explain where Travis McGee (writing, not in a vigilante posse) was and it's been a free fire zone ever since.
I realize I am more culture war oriented than you and so be it but I think your view on this topic is out of sync with most of your members, not that anyone should insist you always share your member's views of course but it does make for difficulties doesn't it?
I regret that.