The Mystery Of Carthaginians In The Americas

YouTube ^ | October 20, 2022 | Timeline - World History Documentaries

[grey_whiskers]

Dude, that was *impressive*.

Bookmarked & thanks!

[bunkerhill7]

To go https://youtube.com/watch?v=5R75pXLlp1U
You can see inverted at 15:36 a ship with oars, rudder, cabin ,sail...as if the boulder has been knocked over by an earthquake.

[SunkenCiv]

The fair-haired references pertained to the Iberian Celts (often called Celtiberians) who used to hang with the Carthaginians. Carthage was known for hiring labor / mercenaries.

[SunkenCiv]

The guy who carved it used to show off, carving while doing a handstand.

[glorgau]

Even back then gentrifying was going on.

[SunkenCiv]

My pleasure.

[Openurmind]

European TB long before Columbus is a clincher for me.

[SunkenCiv]

Yeah, that got me wondering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis#History

[snip] Tuberculosis has existed since antiquity. The oldest unambiguously detected M. tuberculosis gives evidence of the disease in the remains of bison in Wyoming dated to around 17,000 years ago. However, whether tuberculosis originated in bovines, then transferred to humans, or whether both bovine and human tuberculosis diverged from a common ancestor, remains unclear. A comparison of the genes of M. tuberculosis complex (MTBC) in humans to MTBC in animals suggests humans did not acquire MTBC from animals during animal domestication, as researchers previously believed. Both strains of the tuberculosis bacteria share a common ancestor, which could have infected humans even before the Neolithic Revolution. Skeletal remains show some prehistoric humans (4000 BC) had TB, and researchers have found tubercular decay in the spines of Egyptian mummies dating from 3000 to 2400 BC. Genetic studies suggest the presence of TB in the Americas from about AD 100. [/snip]

[Scott from the Left Coast]

A very fascinating and interesting piece.

And a hugely refreshing break from the crazy election and Ukraine threads. Very, very…very welcome diversion.

[SunkenCiv]

I wholeheartedly agree. It popped up in my related vids on the Roku app for YouTube, and I was about half asleep. The next day I vaguely remembered that I'd seen something that I might want to use here, but couldn't remember what it was. I tried browsing a couple of history vlogger pages, and happened to have my memory jogged.

[DesertRhino]

You know.. yes. I think you’re right. That actually WOULD be more surprising.

[KrisKrinkle]

All the more reason items such as I mentioned should be found just as other artifacts are.

[SunkenCiv]

They aren’t likely to have left a trail of bread crumbs either, so, no.

[higgmeister]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOoJK_fY7nE

[Openurmind]

I think there was already trade from the Mediterranean to South America for a long time. Herodotos wrote that they circumnavigated Africa, and in comparison Brazil is just a short hop with prevailing winds and currents to the west from Africa. I think the theory they just kept it a secret for proprietary reasons is sound. I would too. :)

[blam]

What does the DNA say?

[SunkenCiv]

DNA can’t prove our descent from all 64 of our great-great-great-great-grandparents.

[SunkenCiv]

It did take that expedition several years to make the voyage...

[SunkenCiv]

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[Openurmind]

Yep, they very well might have taken a side trip along the way back. :)