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To: DUMBGRUNT

It’s a fortified beverage, not beer by definition. Yeast dies above a 14% alcohol concentration so they are adding alcohol to make it 28%.


3 posted on 09/19/2021 9:28:46 AM PDT by Fungi
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To: Fungi

Just get a beer and add a jigger of vodka. You won’t notice the taste difference after the 2nd or 3rd one.


10 posted on 09/19/2021 9:34:12 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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To: Fungi

I live in bourbon country. I’ve learned that all bourbon starts with beer (and not a very tasty beer). They then distill from that to get the full alcohol level. Then it gets the rest of its taste from the barrel in which it is aged.

And yeah, to get that much alcohol in it it is no longer beer. You could say that all bourbon is just “distilled beer”.


15 posted on 09/19/2021 9:40:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: Fungi

“It’s a fortified beverage, not beer by definition.”

Please source that.

“Yeast dies above a 14% alcohol concentration so they are adding alcohol to make it 28%.”

It is 22% by volume. Article should say 28% by weight. Champaign yeasts routinely go to 18%. Other yeasts can go to 22%.


39 posted on 09/19/2021 10:23:32 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: Fungi

“It’s a fortified beverage, not beer by definition. Yeast dies above a 14% alcohol concentration so they are adding alcohol to make it 28%.”

https://www.sakesocial.com/blogs/guide/genshu-the-undiluted-brew

NATURALLY OCCURRING ABV

Of all the fermented beverages in the world, sake has the highest naturally occurring alcohol content! Yes it is true, and I did say naturally occurring! There are many beer fundies out there who will speak about certain beers constructed using things such as champagne yeasts that produce a beer with 25-28% alcohol content. That’s crazy and truly not naturally occurring! And yes some wines pump pretty high, but when I speak about sake I am speaking about the norm and not the exceptions.

Sake will ferment “naturally” up to 18-19-20%. (And there is a certain very good friend of mine who is a toji, or head brewer, in a kura in Kyoto Prefecture by the name of Philip Harper who is blowing way past these levels – and for the life of me I don’t know how! Philip has written several great books on sake and is very much worth being a fixture in your sake library.) But back to the point! Sake can ferment up to 19-20% no problem.


48 posted on 09/19/2021 11:12:57 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: Fungi; gundog

“It’s a fortified beverage, not beer by definition. Yeast dies above a 14% alcohol concentration so they are adding alcohol to make it 28%.”

From England, this yeast can ferment up to 25% alcohol when used correctly. It produces ester characters that increase with increasing gravity. Malt character dominates at lower gravities. To achieve >25% ABV, sugar needs to be fed over the course of the fermentation.

https://www.whitelabs.com/yeast-single?id=146&type=YEAST&style_type=0


54 posted on 09/19/2021 12:00:24 PM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: Fungi
It’s a fortified beverage, not beer by definition. Yeast dies above a 14% alcohol concentration so they are adding alcohol to make it 28%.

From the Samuel Adams website:

Now, I have no idea what ninja yeast is.

58 posted on 09/19/2021 12:18:48 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Fungi
Beer, lambic, cider; None of the above. Does not meet the Reinheitsgebot (Wasser, maltz, hops). They put fruit into it but controlled the yeast used (Not wild), and aged it, not lambic, but close. Not a cider, since not apple.

So! Fortified beverage it is!

86 posted on 09/19/2021 3:43:03 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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