Would you like to hear more?
Posted on 06/02/2020 5:40:18 AM PDT by Plain and Simple
As they say, follow the money. These are paid agitators who are wrecking our cities/communities. They are not spending their own money to travel. Let's find the source and destroy it.
Isn’t crossing state lines to incite riot a federal crime? Couldn’t those funding the rioters be prosecuted under RICO?
Would you like to hear more?
Of course I don’t expect him to go out and arrest people.
I expect someone to go out and arrest people.
Show me a single Antifa arrest. Just one—where they have been charged as being a member of a terrorist organization.
Hasn’t the FBI gang unit been tracking these people. If Hells Angels was declared a Terrorist unit, don’t you think that the FBI knows where they are?
You can declare ANYONE anything. It means nothing until there is an action taken.
My answers are easy:
1. Address the responsibilities of the governors and the states. I know its a fourth grade civics lesson, but it needs to be done. It should have been done during the lock downs.
2. Establish the red line. At what point does the Army move into a city?
3. What support is the Federal Government giving to the states (Hint: The national guard is not federalized...yet.)
4. What is Antifa. Who is Antifa. What are they doing and how do we know. Just saying they are bad is not good enough.
5. What is the Federal Government/DOJ doing to address the root cause of this stuff—bad cops. What is the DOJ expecting the states to do?
6. Demand the leaders of the states and factions involved in this to get on the streets.
7. Walk down the streets with Floyd’s brother. Any streets.
How is that for a list of actionable items the administration can take.
In that list are actionable items that define the rules, show that the administration is serious, and they are reaching out.
Do it without the typical bombast and self promotion. The “look at me” crap is not working with the average American anymore.
The tweets and photo ops are not working.
He stands to lose his base. People want action, not talk. That action does not need to be “jack boots” and it doesn’t need to be submissive.
As long as it comes across as “we hear you. We will work with you” it sends the message to all people. The next message needs to be, “we work in peace. Period.”
We know he loves “America.” Not all of America believes him. The media is going to filter everything. But giving them fodder about shooting looters is just ill advised.
Sounds like he's already lost you.
Apparently you didn't read any of the posts I made to you.
You may be hopeless.
C'mon, man.
We didn't elect Jimmy Carter. We elected a real President.
Get on board.
He stands to lose his base. People want action, not talk. That action does not need to be “jack boots” and it doesn’t need to be submissive.
What is the lawful action, not taken, of which you complain?
People want action, not talk. That action does not need to be “jack boots” and it doesn’t need to be submissive.
What lawful action do you want?
The police power resides with the states and the president has limited lawful authority.
Would armed troops watching armed national guard watching armed police watching looters looting do any good?
Would armed troops, if deployed lawfully, convert into "jack boots" if they lawfully enforce a lawful curfew order?
You don’t think that would be the strongest move he could make.
You guys just hate black people don’t you.
You have no idea how to convey a message. To you, everything is a nail that must be hammered.
He used to walk with black leaders all the time. Or do you want to ignore when he was a NY Democrat?
Come on, I am not hopeless. I never vote for the person for President. Always the party.
I am a big fan of Trump’s policies and administration. I am not a fan of his personality. That had never been a secret.
How are they able to carry their bats and gas onboard when I can’t take a 16oz. bottle of shampoo??...
But we have not seen or heard of any arrests.
Well let's at least allow for sometime for this to occur. While we both may agree time is of the essence, we probably can also agree haste makes waste as well. Just arresting people sans evidence is just a futile exercise. Remember arresting without evidence and the inevitable loss of cases will only embolden the numerous small groups of activists.
Show me a single Antifa arrest. Just one—where they have been charged as being a member of a terrorist organization.
See my answer above, and I'll add you are being totally unreasonable. Instead you are exhibiting nothing more than emotional knee-jerk reaction. Leviathan's are not known for their ability to respond rapidly. In fact when they try to act quickly they usually create a bigger problem than what existed. I would rather they get it right than to rush in like fools.
Hasn’t the FBI gang unit been tracking these people. If Hells Angels was declared a Terrorist unit, don’t you think that the FBI knows where they are?
This is exactly what I am talking about. I'm sure the FBI knows some of the players, but do they have evidence to get convictions in courts? Probably not, because they probably have not been allowed to infiltrate them. Though someone tweeted that they have been collecting evidence against them for 3 years and the boom is about to be dropped on them. However, I have little faith that is a reality at all. The Hell's Angels were quite easy to identify. But even then they had to put operatives within their ranks to get any convictions. That person was: Jay Anthony "Jaybird" Dobyns (born 1961), is a retired Special Agent and veteran undercover operative with the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), New York Times Best-Selling author, and public speaker. It was called "Operation Black Biscuit". It's an interesting story you should check into.
You can declare ANYONE anything. It means nothing until there is an action taken.
Again, you are being totally unrealistic. I'm shocked that you cannot reason logically, and are only concerned with instant gratification. Real life does not move at the speed that you, or anyone else, can think. Now if we were ruled by a dictatorship, it could. Is that what you truly desire? To line in a dictatorship where the state declares you a criminal without a shred of evidence to back it up. No thanks, and it proves that President Trump is not the dictator the press tries to claim he is.
My answers are easy:
1. Address the responsibilities of the governors and the states. I know its a fourth grade civics lesson, but it needs to be done. It should have been done during the lock downs.
They know but they don't want to act, until they act and many times over act at that when it came to the lock down. On Monday the president did indeed tell the governors on a conference call what they needed to do, and if they needed help the DoD was willing and waiting to offer assistance.
2. Establish the red line. At what point does the Army move into a city?
Again he did that on the above referenced conference call.
3. What support is the Federal Government giving to the states (Hint: The national guard is not federalized...yet.)
Right now he is working within The Posse Comitatus Act, which is a United States federal law signed on June 18, 1878, by President Rutherford B. Hayes. The purpose of the act – in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 – is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States. If they dawdle too long, he will act. Until then he needs to wait for now.
4. What is Antifa. Who is Antifa. What are they doing and how do we know. Just saying they are bad is not good enough.
Antifa is a more modern offshoot of the anti-fascist movement that started around 1919. While many looked up to them back then, they consisted, for the most part, of those who embraced communism. Though there were other groups that joined in as well, including Christians, Zionists, Marxists, anarchists, social democrats, socialists and others that opposed fascism. They were then, and they continue to be, people who desire to get involved with acts of violence. They started here the ARA (Anti-Racist Action). We go where they go, was their motto. Then in the late 80s & early 90s, mainly within the punk scene, they became an integral part of the anti-globalist movement, and was also involved in the Occupy Movement. Then they went quiet, until Donald J. Trump was elected president that is. Their acts of violence became even more apparent on that event.
Who is an active member is largely unknown, and where they get their funding is suspected to be George Soros, and perhaps even Tom Steyer as well.
What they are doing is acts of violence under the cover of what they can when they can.
That's why President Trump designated them as a domestic terrorist group.
5. What is the Federal Government/DOJ doing to address the root cause of this stuff—bad cops. What is the DOJ expecting the states to do?
That I do not know, nor does anyone else at this point. For all I know the answer is nothing, though I rather doubt that is the reality. Law enforcement rarely discusses what they are doing or are going to do. Instead we find out after they do it, otherwise, the targets might go even further underground.
6. Demand the leaders of the states and factions involved in this to get on the streets.
Yeah I'm so sure they will jump when he says to do it. I also doubt Secret Service would be too happy with the president walking down the streets as well.
7. Walk down the streets with Floyd’s brother. Any streets.
Same answer as above. In addition what he might be able to do is invite the Floyd family to the White House to meet with them and express his feelings to them about the whole regrettable situation.
How is that for a list of actionable items the administration can take.
Well in reality the vast majority were questions, but there were a couple of actionable points you made. But all in all you still expect way more than any human could possibly do, even if it were the only item on his plate. But of course that is far from being the case.
In that list are actionable items that define the rules, show that the administration is serious, and they are reaching out.
If you doubt his sincerity then by all means you should vote for Biden I'm sure Biden will be a much better president. I'll bet he won't be bombastic and self promoting either.
Do it without the typical bombast and self promotion. The “look at me” crap is not working with the average American anymore.
See my answer above, but never presume you know the pulse of the nation. For thinking Americans they look at his accomplishments, and ignore what he says. Most "A" type personalities are wired to promote themselves. That's what "A" type personalities do.
The tweets and photo ops are not working.
Again you are speaking solely for yourself and perhaps a few others around you. No one I know is showing the concern you show, which is much like the concern you showed for Covid-19, extremely exaggerated.
He stands to lose his base. People want action, not talk. That action does not need to be “jack boots” and it doesn’t need to be submissive.
I doubt that, in fact I think he has increased his base. You are hardly his base though, you are just a lukewarm supporter at best. His base consists of people who see him as the best opportunity to salvage this nation. His base wonders what will happen after his 2nd term, not if he will serve a 2nd term.
As long as it comes across as “we hear you. We will work with you” it sends the message to all people. The next message needs to be, “we work in peace. Period.”
Perhaps you should run after his 2nd term, since you apparently know all the right moves and words to utter.
We know he loves “America.” Not all of America believes him. The media is going to filter everything. But giving them fodder about shooting looters is just ill advised.
You have still learned nothing about President Trump operates even after 3+ years. He says a lot of things for affect, and to gain people's attention. Besides he might have meant that shooting occurs when things escalate beyond a certain level and spiral out of control. Not that he was going to direct troops to shoot upon citizens, even traitorous citizens that make up Antifa.
If you expect a police officer to arrest an ANTIFA member while he is burning someone’s property or busting someone’s head, you are barking up the wrong tree.If on the other hand, you expect to see a police officer to arrest a citizen that is protecting his/her property from being destroyed by an ANTIFA member or you expect a police officer to arrest a citizen that is defending himself/herself while being attacked be a member of ANTIFA, you are 1000% correct.
Oh bullshit! The politicians and media know damn well who is paying the expenses for the Anarchists to travel from State to State. They hope you don’t/
I expect the FBI to roll up the organizers. If they are a terrorist group then they’ve been infiltrated and the FBI knows who they are. They know how they are getting money. They know how they communicate.
But...nothing.
That speaks volumes.
Either the government doesn’t have a clue, or they are making this up.
My point is we don’t believe what the Dems or the media says. Why should we believe what the government says?
That was the best response I think I’ve ever gotten on FR. Thank you.
Okay, LOL. 8>)
You have a Thinking Cap.................
You can bet your ass or your life that the Government knows exactly what is going on. And why it is going on.
You shouldn't believe anything that the Democrats and media says.
The Government is the Democrats and the media. The Government is the unnamed and faceless bureaucrats put in their positions and given Civil Service Protection by obama in his last term in Office. They dictate how the agencies operate day by day. The media sends the signals.
You and I agree on very little in this encounter. I made my points, and you provided a great answer.
It IS possible to disagree, agreeably.
We no doubt agree on much more than we disagree. If you were a liberal it would be different, because I hold back no punches with them. 8>)
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