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Mysterious 5000 year-old sword discovered...
Fox ^ | March 25, 2020 | James Rogers

Posted on 03/26/2020 5:37:04 AM PDT by SMARTY

"A doctoral student in Italy discovered an ancient 5,000-year-old sword in a Venetian monastery..."

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: anatolia; bronzeage; discovery; godsgravesglyphs; italy; metalworking; sanlazzaro; sword; venice
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I wonder if metallurgy advanced to that point, so long ago. The article doesn't say what material the sword is.

I can't see where they mentioned the alloy or the primary ore.

1 posted on 03/26/2020 5:37:04 AM PDT by SMARTY
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If that’s a Sword then who ever carried it must have been a midget. It looks more like a dagger.


2 posted on 03/26/2020 5:42:39 AM PDT by Rappini (Compromise has its place. It's called second.)
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There appears to be some green corrosion in one of the pictures. this would indicate that it could be bronze. That’s consistent with the stated age of the sword as being well before the Iron Age. An iron alloy would likely not have green corrosion.


3 posted on 03/26/2020 5:45:09 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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To: Rappini

People were smaller back then. Except for the Giants, of course.


4 posted on 03/26/2020 5:46:27 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: SMARTY
Another article here gives that info:

One of the surprises is that the weapon is made of arsenical copper, an alloy of copper and arsenic used about 5,000 years ago, before true bronze was invented by alloying copper and tin.

5 posted on 03/26/2020 5:46:41 AM PDT by TimSkalaBim
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an alloy of copper and arsenic

Short life expectancy for swordsmiths in those days!

6 posted on 03/26/2020 5:47:50 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The mark of a decent society is that it resists the temptation to spurn the defenseless.")
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I think people were smaller then. To a great extent, nutrition pre-determines stature and if they had deficient diets during say, youth and adolescence… they couldn't make that up later.

I remember going to the Cleve. museum and looking at the armor there. It's a great collection and I am always amazed that the suits of armor are so small.

What is also strange, the two-handed swords and hand-and-a-half swords are very long. How could small people wield such huge weapons?

Halberds were also very long and they looked heavy, too.

7 posted on 03/26/2020 5:50:00 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nobility is defined by the demands it makes on us - by obligations, not by rights".)
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I think the word ‘sword’ is a misnomer. It is clearly a dirk or a ‘short’ sword similar to a wakizashi type blade sometimes worn by women of stature in feudal japan.


8 posted on 03/26/2020 5:52:51 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (There is not a climate bedwetter who is not a total hypocrite.)
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Excalibur?

Anyone see The Lady of The Lake lately?

9 posted on 03/26/2020 5:53:33 AM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
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Are you saying the man that wore this was a girly man? Lol.


10 posted on 03/26/2020 5:58:01 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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Ah, those Italian girls...

11 posted on 03/26/2020 6:00:26 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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This was posted a few times recently. I remember the hottie and the monk. He is smiling whiling holding a hard ridged sword.


12 posted on 03/26/2020 6:01:28 AM PDT by devane617 (Kyrie Eleison, where I'm going, will you follow?)
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To: Deaf Smith


Dennis the Peasant: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

Arthur: Be quiet!

Dennis: You can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
13 posted on 03/26/2020 6:01:35 AM PDT by Spruce
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“If that’s a Sword then who ever carried it must have been a midget. “

If you want an interesting reality check and confirmation that we are living in a golden age, go to any museum displaying uniforms and armor. The military uniforms worn by most of the soldiers as recently as the American Civil War look like they would fit a child. Those people, were, on average, tiny by comparison with today. Look also at Spanish plate armor from previous centuries. They average anywhere from four foot something to five foot five.


14 posted on 03/26/2020 6:02:49 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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There are two types of bronze, arsenic and tin alloyed. Arsenic bronze can be natural or purposely mixed. The natural kind came mostly from Anatolia. If the date holds, this would be one of the oldest bronze objects. The bronze age technically goes back to around ~3600 BC in the Levant, Egypt and Sumer, but we don’t find much bronze until ~2500 BC. These dates are not exact and there is much discussion around it.


15 posted on 03/26/2020 6:12:01 AM PDT by fatez (Ya, well, you know, that's just your opinion man...)
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Not even that long ago. There is a Texas museum in SAN Antonio, and has Mexican Army uniforms. They were at least a foot shorter than I am, and I’m only average height. My grandmother was only 4’8” and was considered to be average in height.


16 posted on 03/26/2020 6:17:05 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Spruce

This line never gets old. I swear it is one of the best film moments of all time.


17 posted on 03/26/2020 6:18:33 AM PDT by golux (In Memory of Windflier)
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To: SMARTY

For making Toast


18 posted on 03/26/2020 7:10:10 AM PDT by butlerweave
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Agree with ‘not even that long ago ...’

Some time back there was an article by a M.E. person writing in support of the USA’a efforts over there fighting terrorism. In his quotes were a few comments about the American soldiers, very complimentary. He mentioned how much bigger the Americans were than the locals. Stronger, faster, and smarter also.

Our lifestyle and superior medical system is probably a lot of the reason. I am only 5’10” but all three of my sons are over 6 feet!


19 posted on 03/26/2020 7:13:34 AM PDT by ByteMercenary (Healthcare Insurance is *NOT* a Constitutional right.)
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To: Vermont Lt

We are the giants.


20 posted on 03/26/2020 7:20:45 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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