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I had wondered about the strange leap of the pox from China to Italy and Iran, of all places.

There had been speculation about human trafficking ex-China as one cause, now I come across this and suddenly it all makes sense.

Huzzah! for those open borders!!

1 posted on 03/15/2020 9:45:42 AM PDT by Riflema
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“this whole situation with Italy could accelerate the collapse of the whole EU project.”

Looking at the CV19 situation in other EU countries, I’d say that ship has already sailed.


2 posted on 03/15/2020 9:51:55 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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The article is correct EXCEPT for the The ‘Open Borders’ EU will of course try to keep this under wraps,

The 'open borders' is within EU countries -- not with non-EU countries.

So if you go from China to the EU, you need to go through border control. But if you are a British citizen, you don't need to go through border control at Copenhagen, for instance

The rest of the article is known -- Milan has thousands of Chinese workers in its textile industry and they, coming back after chinese new year celebrations brought the coronavirus

however:

1. The virus then spread because Milan has a number of old people

2. when the Italian government told children to not go to school, they took the opportunity to go to discos, congregate etc. spreading the virus

the dead are mostly old "white" folks

3 posted on 03/15/2020 9:52:50 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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I don’t know, maybe a buttload of tourist coming through the place all the time?


4 posted on 03/15/2020 9:53:21 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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Every time I see something from a source like this that appears to just be Yet Another Blog I look at their “About Us” page to see if there’s any reason to think they have any credibility or know what the hell they’re talking about.

In this case all they tell you is:

“AltNewsMedia provides an alternative to the fake news mainstream media narrative.”

Critical thinkers gather information from various sources and weight it according to credibility. While this is an interesting theory the weight is low because they do nothing to establish any credibility. So I’ll be waiting to hear this from other sources before accepting it as true.


5 posted on 03/15/2020 9:54:16 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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Italy stopped having kids 40 years ago....they are a nation of seniors. Nature finds a way to handle nations full of seniors.


7 posted on 03/15/2020 9:55:24 AM PDT by impimp
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If someone has been to Italy recently, they would know.

Half the tourists at Vatican City are Chinese. Milan and Florence were jam packed with Chinese. It was shocking to me.

And they are the rudest, grossest people you could ever be in close quarters with.

They hack and spit everywhere. Even on the floors inside the chapel.

They stick a finger up one nostril and clear their noses out the other anywhere they happen to be.

They crowd into the same turn style with you, cutting lines everywhere.

They bump into on the sidewalk as they walk five abreast on sidewalks only wide enough for four.

Dirty, disgusting people.


10 posted on 03/15/2020 9:57:44 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3824627/posts?page=296#296


12 posted on 03/15/2020 9:59:02 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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A retired Army friend sent me the following today, along with the front of the book and the page with this paragraph circled in red. MOST interesting:

By Dean Koontz. A book entitled “The eyes of darkness.” Published in 1981. On page 312 it says:

“In around 2020, a severe pneumonia like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments. Almost more baffling than the illness itself will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived, attacking again ten years later, then disappear altogether.”

15 posted on 03/15/2020 10:01:44 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (These are those days that the Bible says will test men's souls. Choose wisely dear folks.)
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But Italy has single payer healthcare.
What could go wrong?


16 posted on 03/15/2020 10:02:56 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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That and Italy-according to my best friend who took a trip there a couple years ago, is the most filthy place he has ever seen.

He is catholic, and of course he and his wife wanted to go see the Vatican.

20 posted on 03/15/2020 10:10:58 AM PDT by crz
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I think a lot of people are wondering why Italy is so hard hit.

This real story does not fit the media narrative, so it is not getting reported by the MSM.


21 posted on 03/15/2020 10:11:05 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is solving the world's problems only to distract us from Russia.)
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Yeah, but. of course, it’s all Trump’s fault. /s


29 posted on 03/15/2020 10:17:37 AM PDT by Bigg Red (WWG1WGA)
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Holy cow...makes perfect sense if true.


31 posted on 03/15/2020 10:18:46 AM PDT by exPBRrat (.)
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i posted this last week- even the Italian ambassador admits chinese in italy caused the problem:

northern italy evidently has a ton of chinese who are in the leather/textile industry and the italian ambassador to ireland states they believe it came from china via the textile industry:

https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/voices/coronavirus-italy-quarantine-lombardy-china-spread-covid-19-a9387476.html

“He added: “We should not over dramatise, when we get over dramatic we risk making mistakes and this is simply silly because we are in a good framework. We are in a country well equipped in terms of public health. We are in the European Union, and we are responsible for each other. It is a serious situation but we don’t want to transform it in to a drama when it is not a drama.”

He said northern Italy has close connections with China due to strong links in the textile trade.”

https://www.rte.ie/news/post/103346782/


34 posted on 03/15/2020 10:20:40 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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Gee, all the while I thought this was going to be traced back to Marco Polo.


36 posted on 03/15/2020 10:25:56 AM PDT by Mouton (The media is the enemy of the people.)
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They partnered up with China for their “silk road” construction which brought in a bunch of them there. In fact Rush spent a segment of his show time on this. That along with other with investments and partnerships in manufacturing


37 posted on 03/15/2020 10:27:55 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin posting here for the record hoping somebody might read and pass around)
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I can think of several reasons why this has hit Italy particularity hard. First, they were hit with a large number of cases at once. It can be assumed that many Chinese traveled home for the lunar new year and brought the virus back with them to Italy. So instead of starting of with a few dozen cases Italy started off with hundreds, maybe thousands of imported cases from China. This cause the virus to get a strong foothold in the country before the authorities had a chance to ramp up their response. News reports indicate that many hospitals are overwhelmed with the staff getting sick as well. A high initial infection count would cause that.

Next the average age in Italy is older than many countries, the disease affects the elderly more than others further straining the medical system.

Finally, the nature of the fashion industry itself may be to blame. Producing, textiles and turning them into clothes involves creating a lot of airborne fibers. Sufficient fibers can cause respiratory problems. Growing up I had a very good friend who’s dad owned a furniture repair shop. He really specialized in recovering furniture. He had to give it up in his late fifties because the fibers had compromised his lungs. I wonder if this could have an effect as well.


38 posted on 03/15/2020 10:28:59 AM PDT by Fellow Traveler
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Italy also has the oldest population in Europe. Few births and no younger workers for years, which is why they import their workforce. I think they actually had negative population growth a couple of years ago - meaning deaths outnumber births.


39 posted on 03/15/2020 10:35:12 AM PDT by livius
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The Italian death rate is high because Italy has the oldest population in the world and they smoke cigarettes at a 50% higher rate than Americans. Lots of old people with respiratory issues.


42 posted on 03/15/2020 10:53:09 AM PDT by bort
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Some of the same reasons it was bad in China (imho). Population density, heavy smoking among the populace and a history of heavy air pollution all weakening respiratory immune response.

CC


49 posted on 03/15/2020 11:32:31 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV)
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