Posted on 10/14/2019 6:54:15 AM PDT by Enlightened1
"The fact that socialists are openly running for public office in America — that socialists actually hold public office in Congress — should serve as enough wakeup call that the nation’s moral and political compasses are skewed, in dire need of correcting."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Conservatives taking jobs in public education is not enough.
The Dept of Education and the teachers unions direct all the curricula.
If any teacher strays noticeably from the curriculum, that teacher will be fired.
The teachers unions are run by global elitists.
You won’t be able to displace the union elites with conservatives.
The Federal Department of Education provides the carrot (MONEY) to the union’s stick. Good luck draining THAT swamp.
And I want to add, the only way to kill that beast is to starve it.
Its food is your children.
Don’t feed the beast.
So, it sounds like your solution is to just give up. Public education isn’t going away, no matter how much you try to “starve” it. Public education will continue to influence young people and it would behoove the conservative movement to figure out how to make their presence known in education.
> So, it sounds like your solution is to just give up.
> Public education isn’t going away, no matter how much you
> try to “starve” it.
Do you support tax-funded government-run medicine, too?
This is the same thing, only with education.
Enough is enough.
If a group of parents wants to form an education cooperative, fine. That’s their prerogative.
But compelling everyone else by threat of force to participate in and PAY for it, even people who don’t have school age children, is collectivism.
My, how times have changed.
No. However, those are two different issues.
This is the same thing, only with education.
Not necessarily.
Enough is enough.
I don't disagree. However, strategically, it makes more sense to try to recapture an institution that is not going to go away than to try to abolish it. The only chance to disassemble the public education system is to first gain control of it. Even then, I doubt it happens because too many people want public education, even many people who are complaining about what is being taught. The vast majority of the critics of the public education want it reformed, not eliminated.
But compelling everyone else by threat of force to participate in and PAY for it, even people who don’t have school age children, is collectivism.
Any society is going to have some degree of collectivism. The question is where you draw the line.
See http://www.sepschool.org/
Unrelated to our discussion, how old is this website? Some of the supporter information seems to be 10 years or more out of date. In the banner on the right hand side, there is featured supporter who was forced to abandon his pastorate because of serious charges of marital infidelity and as a result of these accusations to close down the organization that he is shown to be affiliated with. It might be wise to drop that listing. In the full list of supporters, numerous updates are needed.
> No. However, those are two different issues.
If the one-siz-fits-all, tax-funded, government-run approach is inappropriate for medicine, what makes it appropriate for education?
> The vast majority of the critics of the public education
> want it reformed, not eliminated.
Argumentum ad populum. The “majority of critics” is not a valid argument. Discuss the pros and cons of tax-funded, government-run, collectivized education in their own merits, rather than whether an aggregate supports them.
> Any society is going to have some degree of collectivism.
> The question is where you draw the line.
Free markets are cooperatives, not collectives.
I prefer a cooperative society.
> there is featured supporter who was forced to abandon his
> pastorate because of serious charges of marital infidelity
Argument ad hominem. Look at the arguments for separation of school from state, not who supports them.
Argumentum ad populum. The “majority of critics” is not a valid argument. Discuss the pros and cons of tax-funded, government-run, collectivized education in their own merits, rather than whether an aggregate supports them.
You did see the opening to that paragraph, right? What part of "I don't disagree" do you not understand? While abolishment of public education would be best, it is not going to happen when a large majority is in favor of it. You can tilt at all the windmills you want but realistically, public education is here to stay. As long as it here, I want conservatives to control it while they work to end it.
I prefer a cooperative society.
Fine but you're not in one now. I doubt a majority agrees with you. Before you incorrectly assert argumentum ad populum again, note that I'm not using it to assert what is right but what is.
Argument ad hominem. Look at the arguments for separation of school from state, not who supports them.
What part of "unrelated to our discussion" did you miss? Argumentum ad hominem would apply if I were arguing against it. I was simply asking you a question because so much of the information about the supporters seemed to be way out of date. (BTW, several of the supporters are acquaintances of mine.) The person I mentioned raised the question immediately in my mind because he has thoroughly discredited himself a few years ago making it odd that he would have a prominent position in the supporters list now.
Socialist/Fascist government schools are the Ring of Mordor, unredeemably evil, unwieldy by design/nature, destroying the nation and humanity they seek to control.
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