Posted on 08/06/2019 6:49:11 PM PDT by Conserv
Precisely why the founders used the term “natural born citizen”.
To be naturally an American you have to be born here of citizen parents.
Anything else leads to foreign ties that the founders were purposefully excluding.
From DMZFrank | 12/22/2018 2:58:29 PM PST replied
The SCOTUS has never directly ruled on the meaning of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the constitution with regard to POTUS eligibility. But in SCOTUS cases wherein they have given a definition of what a NBC (or a 14th amendment citizen in the case of Wong Kim Ark)is, Minor vs Haperstatt, Venus Merchantman Case of 1814) they defined an NBC as a person born of TWO, count them TWO citizen parents (the parents don’t have to be NBC) and born in one of the states of the Union, or the territories.
The authors of the 14th amendment, in the Congressional debates on the matter, also defined an NBC in the same manner. Rep. Bimgham and Senator Jacob Howard were the principal authors of the 14th amendment. Here is a quote from Howard which clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment in 1866, which was to define citizenship. He stated: “Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.”
Until this matter is formally adjudicated by the Court, I will defer to their NBC stare decisis definitions. Harris, Obama and a host of others were not, are not, and can NEVER be constitutionally eligible to be POTUS.
Whatever one thinks what the meaning of Article II, Section 1, clause 5 is, it is clear that the adoption of the 14th amendment did not alter it in any constitutional sense. How else can you account for the fact that the constitution only specifies for the office of senator and representative citizenship for a period of 9 and 7 years respectively, while the constitution requires the POTUS, to be NATURALLY born, owing allegiance to no other country? That is the ONLY constitutional provision for NBC. Obviously, there is a singular distinction with regard to that office. Under Jamaican and Indian citizenship law, for instance, It is conceivable that Jamaica or India could claim that Kamala Harris, thru her parents, is a citizen who owes allegiance to both of those countries FROM HER BIRTH. It was conferred upon her by those countries citizenship laws, just as valid as our own.
By the way, Ted Cruz (who I admire very much) made a very public demonstration of the fact that he was going to FORMALLY renounce his CANADIAN citizenship. What NATURALLY BORN US citizen has to do such a thing?
The framers of the constitution were patriarchs. (Yes I understand that is completely out of tune with modern sensibilities, but nonetheless it is true.) They believed that the citizenship of the FATHER was conferred upon his children. SCOUTUS incorporated in toto the ENTIRE 212th paragraph of Emerich De Vattel’s Law of Nations in their 1814 Venus merchantman case as they defined what an NBC is. Here is the money quote that Justice Livingstone that was cited when he wrote for the majority, “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”
I suspect the reason that many do not want this issue formally examined is that they wish to foster and enhance the globalist influence on the office of POTUS. The NBC requirement was never intended to be a guarantee of allegiance, but a safeguard against undue foreign influence on the office of POTUS, PARTICULARLY from a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. The oath of naturalization requires a formal and legal renunciation of any prior national allegiances.
Jennie Spencer-Churchill, known as Lady Randolph Churchill, was a natural born US citizen, and a British socialite, the wife of Lord Randolph Churchill and the mother of British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill.
Under US citizenship law at the time of Churchill’s birth, despite the fact that his mother was a NATURAL BORN US citizen, she could not transmit her US citizenship on to young Winston owing to her marriage to a foreign national, Sir Randolph Spencer Churchill, who was Winston’s father. That would not be legally allowed until the passage of the Cable Act of 1922, well after Churchill’s birth in 1874. The Cable Act only confers citizenship, NOT NATURALLY BORN citizenship. It did not refer to, or alter the meaning of an Article II, Sec. 1, clause 5 “natural born citizen” in any way.
Churchill was granted HONORARY US citizenship by an act of Congress on 9 April 1963. It was understood that his birth to a an NBC citizen US mother in Great Britain did not make him a citizen by law.
This is just one more indication of the fact that Obama, Cruz, Rubio OR Harris can NEVER be constitutionally eligible to the office of POTUS. We need to have this issue finally adjudicated by SCOTUS for the first time in US history, and finally get a definitive answer one way or another.
We have enough naturally born anti-american, anti-constitutional cultural marxists in our country now who aspire to be POTUS. I say let’s eliminate all those who don’t even meet the basic Article II criteria. Winnow the opposition.
This matter is SCREAMING for a definitive ruling on the meaning of Article II, Section 1, clause 5, by the SCOTUS for the first time in the history of the US. It is revealing to note what Clarence Thomas told a House subcommittee that when it comes to determining whether a person born outside the 50 states can serve as U.S. president when he said that the high court is “evading” the issue. The comments came as part of Thomas’ testimony before a House appropriations panel discussing an increase in the Supreme Court’s budget in April of 2017. Thomas said that to Subcommittee Chairman Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y.
After two Obama terms, I think they are terrified of the implications of a ruling based on originalist constitutional intent and interpretation. That does not excuse the cowardice in refusing a grant of certiorari for those who wish to have SCOTUS exercise it’s Article III oversight on this matter.
Official Joe Biden-DNC propaganda.
Them Russians are at it again. Sarc.
Churchill was granted HONORARY US citizenship by an act of Congress on 9 April 1963. It was understood that his birth to a an NBC citizen US mother in Great Britain did not make him a citizen by law.
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Prior to 1934, U.S. citizen mothers could not transmit U.S. citizenship to children born abroad; only U.S. citizen fathers could do that. In 1994, Congress passed the Immigration and Nationality Technical Corrections Act, which added INA 301(h) (8 USC 1401(h)) which granted citizenship to people born abroad to a U.S. citizen mother before 1934.
But at least Tulsi has it right about the USA supporting the Anti-Semites in Syria who are fighting the Assad government as in the Al-Qaeda jihadists.
This rage against Assad led to the USA and others helping the admirers of Osama Bin Laden, the fighters of the Al Qaeda movement.
The collusion with financially powerful Saudi Arabia and its allies like the UAE and its ideology embodied in the jihadists is the real collusion we need to worry about.
“father Jamaican” as in “mon”?
>>Harris is another White Woman of Color, somewhat less so than AOC.<<
Lady Marmalade.
Yup. Biden is finished. He’s waaay beyond his expiration date.
Her entire campaign has been about pandering to black Democrats.
If the poll is accurate, she is toast.
Agree...the question I would have is:
Will Tulsi Gabbard keep attacking Kamala?
This would also kill Kamala's chance at being the candidate for vice president.
“Kudos to Tulsi but also her research team who did a beautiful job getting the proper information.”
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Tulsi and team are doing a good job for sure. She has the package and comes across as being more reasonable than the crazed, deranged Trump Haters. She’s a Hawaiian resident. So, she has to be a liberal democrat to be successful. However, I’m guessing if she resided in say Texas she would be aRepublican.
This is meaningless. They could nominate a glass of water and still get 95% of the black vote.
Not believing that.
My second most likely is Warren/Buttigieg. Third is Biden/Gabbard then Biden/Harris. Biden/Warren is a possibility although that would not balance the ticket geographically.
Someone has to sue to force it out in the open or it will be conveniently ignored.
But who would sue? I recall when this came up before (cough.Soetoro.cough) no one had "standing" to make the point. I think it would have to be in a friendly Republican state with a SoS who has the stones to make a determination. Or, IIRC, the House needs to "certify" the vote if she wins and since the Hose is BLUE, fuggetttaboutit....
She’s done...
No nominee for President has won without winning the majority of black democratic primary voters.... not one since they started breaking them out in their analysis in 1976.
Which is WHY so much pandering goes on in the Dem primary.
They can’t win with JUST the black vote, but NO ONE has won the D primary without winning the black vote....
If the old used mattress is polling at 1% among D black primary voters, she is DONE.... she can only limp on so long with that being her reality.
No, it isn’t meaningless.
You see, this isn’t about the general, its about being the nominee.. and no one has won the D nomination without winning the black primary vote... PERIOD.. no one since they started breaking them out in their analytics in 1976.
So if the old used mattress is only polling at 1% among black d primary voters, stick a fork in her, she’s done. Only a matter of time before she realizes it... same with with powder puff Pete, and Warren... they have ZERO chance at being the nominee.
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