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Cueva Negra deep layer with thermally altered remains. Courtesy Michael Walker, et. al.

Cueva Negra deep layer with thermally altered remains. Courtesy Michael Walker, et. al.

1 posted on 05/06/2018 7:42:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
550-600C...too hot. Needed to learn temperature control.

Medium rare beats full char.

4 posted on 05/06/2018 7:48:40 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's62 fore sure)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Scientists” cannot possibly “confirm” such a thing. Is the science settled?


5 posted on 05/06/2018 7:49:55 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: SunkenCiv

Over 850,000 years old? And I thought the Neanderthal hand axe in my collection from 70,000 years ago was old.


6 posted on 05/06/2018 7:52:30 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s probably just Neanderthals putting too many zeroes on the date stamps. They weren’t very good with dates or numbers. One factor for their extinction was getting home at night forgetting it was their wedding anniversary.


7 posted on 05/06/2018 8:10:55 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: SunkenCiv

First use of fire “outside Africa”.


8 posted on 05/06/2018 8:20:59 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Researchers do not yet know what species of ancient human occupied the rockshelter during this early time period, but they suggest that they were pre-Neanderthal, possibly Homo heidelbergensis, Homo antecessor, or Homo erectus.”

Likely not Homo Erectus. They didn’t really enter the scene until the 1970s.


9 posted on 05/06/2018 8:25:51 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: SunkenCiv

If fire was being used 900,000 years ago why did it take until 10,000 years ago or so to start cities and cultivation and the like? It seems they (Neanderthals/Humans) must have realized what was going on by the point.


10 posted on 05/06/2018 8:26:05 PM PDT by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: SunkenCiv

So when will 23andMe manage to get some H. heidelbergensis or H. erectus DNA so they can inform their clientele whether they have any heidelbergensis or erectus DNA? They do that now with Neanderthal DNA but the Neanderthals died out relatively recently.


15 posted on 05/06/2018 9:55:35 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

Bookmark.


23 posted on 05/07/2018 3:24:02 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: SunkenCiv
'Firsts' in this field, are, at best, a contemporary guesstimate pending further research and discovery. When I recall my College Anthropology texts from the 1970s and their, ever so certain, dates of human migrations, I have to laugh! Like so many other items of scientific certainty, the proclaimers need to maintain a healthy sense of humility and avoiding hubris.

I refer one and all to the late, but still great, Arthur C. Clarke and his Three Laws, in particular for this case, Law #1: "When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."

Note please that I am NOT criticizing or disparaging these researchers or this article, just pointing out the habits of the media and others in assigning laudatory adjectives that the researchers would probably disclaim. Any mention of 'settled science' or other such wordage / concept should be at the reader's discretion!

24 posted on 05/07/2018 5:12:49 AM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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