Correct. All civilizations eventually develop technology sufficient enough to allow social media and cell phones, followed quickly by complete collapse of said civilization.
Posted on 05/04/2018 5:48:07 AM PDT by C19fan
Perhaps the greatest 'holy grail' in all of astronomy is the search for life, and particularly intelligent life, beyond Earth. Given that life arose so plentifully and easily here on our home planet, and that the ingredients for life are everywhere we look throughout the Universe, it seems like a foregone conclusion that we wouldn't be alone. The Milky Way, all on its own, has approximately 400 billion stars, each with its own unique history and chances for life to have arisen. Despite how technologically advanced humans have become, SETI searches have all come up empty, perhaps implying that technologically advanced civilizations aren't communicating in ways we would have thought. But an advanced-enough planet might have built a sphere around their Sun — a Dyson sphere — to harness 100% of its energy. Incredibly, we now have the technology to detect them. If, that is, they exist.
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All of the ingredients for life are available throughout the observable universe. Not necessarily all. The Will of God is necessary for life to emerge.
There are plenty of Dyson ‘spheres’, they’ve morphed into vacuum cleaners and prefer to be called Dyson balls :)
I also like the statement about the ingredients for life being so plentiful. Would someone mind telling me what the ingredients for life are, because no seems to have an idea what to do with them.
IF there is life on another planet, why do we always assume it is intelligently advanced beyond life on our planet?
“Dyson spheres are interesting, but they are also a silly extrapolation.”
No they aren’t. A Dyson megasphere, now THAT is a silly extrapolation.
We don’t know that.
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That’s our current knowledge. If you can do better you’d be in line for a Noble Prize.
Great point.
If we see a gravity well that has no corresponding star, that might be a clue.
This Dyson Sphere hypothesis appears to have the smell of Sophomore dorm room marijuana in its origins.
Dyson spheres exist. That solar panel on a house roof top is a start. Just 1 x 10 e 22 more to go.
Find Alien civilizations out there, what could possibly go wrong? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08TFTAnlnUs&t=148s
Easily, eh? Let's see you do it, Siegel.
Anyone else?
Correct. All civilizations eventually develop technology sufficient enough to allow social media and cell phones, followed quickly by complete collapse of said civilization.
“Given that life arose so plentifully and easily here on our home planet
Just because He made it look easy doesn’t mean it’s easy. “
Saw what you did there.......Nice!
KYPD
What are these, galactic vacuum cleaners?
Who changes the bag? Oh that’s right; Dysons don’t have bags.
Why make a structure to collect the energy from a star when you can make a star that fits in your pocket? Dyson spheres are interesting, but they are also a silly extrapolation.
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They are silly indeed.
With water you can make energy the same way stars do, fusion. Why go through all the construction of a Dyson sphere?
For us trying to find other civilizations based on the technology we understand is like plains Indians trying to find future civilizations using smoke signals. In the future there may very well be no communications via electromagnetic spectrum, we simply don’t know what will be at hand in a thousand years, we don’t even know enough to speculate.
If you build a physical barrier around your star to capture 100% of is energy, cloaking technology has to be in there somewhere.
imagine the need for specific raw materials needed for such a monstrosity, entire planets would have to be raped of all their mass, and for what? a civilization advanced enough to build such a thing would also be advanced enough to find a more cost effective method of accomplishing the same goal.
constructs such as dyson spheres are the equivalent of navel gazing, and what-if-hitler-had-won pseudo ingtellectualism
“KUM-BYE-YA Brother! They done and evolved without the knowledge or instinct to kill other species to survive. We may have something up on this batch!”
Shouldn’t the ‘holy grail’ in astronomy be finding what is there, regardless of what it is?
Obviously, you do not comprehend the complexities of modern science wherein scientists look for what they believe they should find and finding receive large financial rewards and prestige, or not finding and receive large financial rewards and prestige.
Amateurs are well advised to stay away from speculating about scientific motives, since there are no large financial rewards and no prestige to be gained. Such a path can only end in major disappointment and sour expressions.
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