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Naval Aviators Say They Were Kicked Out of Training Due to Racial Bias
Military Comm ^ | 4/2018 | Seck

Posted on 04/12/2018 7:48:37 AM PDT by pabianice

Courtland Savage never expected to fly fighter jets.

Though he had served in the Air Force Reserve before transferring to the Navy and knew his way around a C-17 Globemaster transport, his test scores weren't the highest and the demanding, elitist culture of fighter aviation seemed beyond his reach...

Less than two years later, though, Savage would be kicked out of fighter training and find his Navy career in shambles. While he acknowledges he struggled in some disciplines, he believes that implicit racial bias ultimately made the difference for him between having his training cut short and being given another chance...

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To: Ouderkirk

..or kill the wrong people on the ground while making split second decisions.


41 posted on 04/12/2018 8:34:55 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Alex Jones isnÂ’t quite the wing nut now, all things considered.)
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To: pabianice
I can see where this is going:

Auburn High School Proudly Adopts ‘Africentric Math’ To Draw Black Students Into STEM Fields

The Navy training was designed for Blacks to fail by not using "Africentric Math." For that matter even the aircraft used was engineered without "Africentric Math" so that Blacks could not fly them.

Sounds no less logical than 'men marrying men' sounded to everyone 30 years ago! The lunatic-left agenda being implemented by the elites of the West is not restrained by logic or reality.

42 posted on 04/12/2018 8:35:26 AM PDT by drpix
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To: SkyDancer
When you’re not good enough in anything you play the race card.

70 years after Truman integrated the military? Weak sauce, Courtland.

43 posted on 04/12/2018 8:36:05 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: Pontiac

Diversity has nothing to do with success in this case. I’m a5’3” female....maybe I should complain that the NBA doesn’t have enough DIVERSITY by allowing me to play.


44 posted on 04/12/2018 8:36:50 AM PDT by Aria
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To: Mr. K

My guess is that Johnny Crash gave himself the name Maverick. He’s that vain.

Without his daddy, he would have never came close to the Naval Academy or flying any of those planes. He’s a corrupt and sleazy clown show.


45 posted on 04/12/2018 8:40:59 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Red Badger
Hey Badger, I want my fighter jocks to be demanding and elitist. I never had a problem with them during my 4 years in Germany. My ADA battalion had batteries at Hahn, Spangdahlem, and Bitburg.

While we had a healthy rivalry at the O'Club, they all knew that the Army units got them over the hump in Tac Evals in the area of Base Survivability. Stuff like that mattered in the late 70s, when the Cold War was still on.

It was my experience that new AF officers weren't handed anywhere near the responsibility that butterbars had in the Army. Within my first four months in Germany, I was handed the reins of both Chaparral platoons: 40 men, 8 weapons systems.

46 posted on 04/12/2018 8:43:15 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: MCRD

Yep!.......................


47 posted on 04/12/2018 8:44:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (The people who call Trump a tyrant are the same people who want the president to confiscate weapons.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

If God wanted me to fly, He would have given me wings. If He wanted me to swim, He would have given me gills......Fortunately He did give me the ability to hold my breath


48 posted on 04/12/2018 8:45:43 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My cat is not fat, she is just big boned........)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

#12 I knew a guy who was on the Oakland Raiders team. He was not first string but oh so close to the millions of dollars.
He was working at a printing company making less then $14/hr. He got a $80,000 car out of playing football.


49 posted on 04/12/2018 8:48:17 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: pabianice

Accepted into the program even though his score was marginal, only to wash out later.

This could be another case of a minority who would have done very well in many very challenging occupations being forced by affirmative action into an occupation in which he was marginal. Sort of like making a white guy shift from strong safety to cornerback because that position lacks diversity.

When you get to the best of the best of the best, if one race or sex has the advantage, here’s what you should say, We’re America. We’ve got those people.


50 posted on 04/12/2018 8:48:30 AM PDT by Redmen4ever (u)
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To: Regulator

“He failed flights for what he says were viewed in the squadron as relatively minor mistakes, such as “safing” an ejection seat and forgetting to re-arm for takeoff.”

MINOR mistakes? Let’s see...I did 2500 hours in fighters, and never, ever made THAT mistake!


51 posted on 04/12/2018 8:52:04 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: ealgeone

It used to be that top scorers on entrance tests got into professions such as firefighter and pilot training. Then it went to “qualified.” This allowed for affirmative action to get people in who barely passed.


52 posted on 04/12/2018 8:58:21 AM PDT by Freee-dame (Best election ever!)
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To: pabianice
I taught advanced jet (TA-4J) in the Naval Air Training Command at NAS Meridian, MS in the mid-80's. We bent over backwards--too far in my opinion--to get women and minorities their wings.

The 1980s FFS.

53 posted on 04/12/2018 9:02:47 AM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: Mr Rogers

Partial Ejection from A-6 Aircraft
http://www.military.com/video/aircraft/ejection-seats/partial-ejection-from-a-6-aircraft/3002376928001

Seat Belt Error May Have Led to Pilot’s Ejection Death
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/11/15/seat-belt-error-may-have-led-pilots-ejection-death.html


54 posted on 04/12/2018 9:06:50 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Aria; pabianice
"If we do not impart aviation instructors with the need to recognize cultural differences that can be perceived as negative traits, we will continue to have a problem with minority students in the cockpit,"

Sorry, I have a problem with this as well.

For a military unit to be cohesive they must have a culture that is for all intents and purposes, the same.

If differences in culture causes friction it is detrimental to unit cohesion.

All personnel in the military while on duty must sublimate their culture to the culture of the military. Military discipline requires it.

55 posted on 04/12/2018 9:07:08 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: jonascord

I know a guy who graduated from the USNA in the same class as John McCain. McCain finished 3rd from the bottom of his class. The joke was that all a Midshipman had to do was finish above McCain in order to get a commission. McCain class rank should have eliminated him from any consideration for flight school. In fact, McCain would have been dismissed if not for his father and grandfather being Admirals.


56 posted on 04/12/2018 9:10:06 AM PDT by WASCWatch
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To: Red Badger

IIRC, Juan McQueeg is a North Vietnamese Ace, with five kills against USN aircraft to his credit...


57 posted on 04/12/2018 9:14:26 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: pabianice
Everyone has something they want to be but can’t. That’s why most of us only sing in the shower.
58 posted on 04/12/2018 9:14:46 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: pabianice

Intelligence is needed in those positions. It is also highly correlated with the speed of reaction that is needed.

The more who get accepted into training without the requisite demonstrated ability, the more are likely to wash out of the training.


59 posted on 04/12/2018 9:15:30 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: pabianice

He has to be smart to get that far but it sounds like he carried a chip on his shoulder but from the article he could be right about the instructors or the instructors are being tough.


60 posted on 04/12/2018 9:24:25 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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