Child in crisis- depression - need aadvice

[infool7]

I am going to sound like a kook but your family may be under demonic attack. FR offers the best advise anywhere and if that isn’t working the prayer machine here is unmatched.

Saint Michael the archangel

defend us in battle

be our protection

against the wickedness and snares of the devil.

May God rebuke him

we humbly pray

and do thow

O prince of the heavenly host

by the power of God

cast into hell Satan

and all the evil spirits

that prowl about the world

seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen

[Rust Buster]

LYME LYME LYME

all these are symptoms of neurological LYME - go to youtube look for Dr. Steven Phillips

read up

if your kid camped and so on

the test - even the better - Western Blot - is only accurate 40% of the time - most people who get a red circle get it only after a prior bite - and many do not - the absence of these diagnostic criteria is not definitive, contrary to public misinformation

nor is the idea that LYME gone untreated for some time is incurable

must go to a ‘LYME LITERATE’ doctor - as this field of medicine is a mix of science and art and intuition and a lot of old fashioned medical skills and perceptions

one diagnostic criterion is if the condition is ‘unexplainable’ or is met with a variety of various diagnoses

[generally]

p.s.

Sometimes parents go to the extreme and hear the advice that they want to hear which is the opposite of what they need.

For example, over controlling parents see advice about being in charge of the child and become even more over-controlling. Disconnected parents see advice about giving the child some space and become even more disconnected. So consider that and be honest in your self-assessment as to whether your actions could be contributing and your “fixes” could be making things worse. (Not trying to criticize your parenting and hopefully this is not an issue. But mentioning it just in case.)

Remember that if you keep trying the same things - or more of the same things - you are likely to get the same results. That doesn’t mean that trying something new, just because it is new, will fix the problem. But examining patterns and thinking about some logical alternatives is a good place to start.

[trebb]

Not a specialist but it sounds like some sort of therapy needs to be continued to see if it can be figured out why the deal is happening...prayers up for you and the suffering 12 year old.....it will try your patience, hurt your heart and give you an opportunity to shine in God’s world....Good Luck and God Bless.

[golux]

BUMP - EXCELLENT THREAD. Thanks, FRiends!

[freeandfreezing]

I'd strongly advise you to get this child to Children's Hospital in Boston...by far the finest pediatric/adolescent hospital in the world.

For most medical issues that is correct. For adolescent psychiatry not so much. In some cases they won't even take the patient.

McLeans in Belmont is where to go.

[freeandfreezing]

The meds, especially the SSRI class, help a lot of people and can save a life.

In this case the kid seems like they may have bipolar depression or some other mood disorder. In those cases SSRI class drugs often make kids dramatically sicker, since they induce hypomanic mixed states and other very undesirable situations.

General practitioners can easily misdiagnose other serious mood disorders in adolescents as depression, since the symptom they see from the kid is depression and the other symptoms of, for example bipolar disorder, are harder to detect in adolescents. For example, rapidly shifting moods indicate a different kind of disorder - and suggest not using SSRI anti-depressants. But teenagers tend to have rapidly shifting moods anyway, so mild examples of that don't get recognized except by specialists.

Medications are important, but for the kind of problem described by the poster you need careful intervention by a specialist in adolescent psychiatry.

[Jim Noble]

Medications are important, but for the kind of problem described by the poster you need careful intervention by a specialist in adolescent psychiatry

I think I said that..

[JPG]

Interesting article:

http://drhyman.com/blog/2018/01/16/heres-heal-broken-brains-nutrients/

[freeandfreezing]

Actually you didn't, but if you think you did that's fine.

I was just trying to emphasize that SSRI based medications, the first line choice for depression, are sometimes prescribed before the doctors involved realize that they are inappropriate for the particular patient. Parents of kids with more complex mood disorders should be aware of that.

I must have missed that information in your posting.

[Rome2000]

I might do that to cure my severe case of misanthropy

[arthurus]

Sunshine. Have you tried a couple of hours of sunshine every day? In the winter that can be substituted for by the supplement Vitamin D-3. I have seen three cases of manic depression completely fixed by sunshine daily and or vitamin D-3, one is my daughter who was zombied on Xanax for years until she started the D-3.

[goodnesswins]

Make sure blood tests include vit d3...and make sure doc is current on right levels....ie 50-70 for adults

[fuzzylogic]

What is his diet like? Get rid of as much sugar as possible. Try to get to a very diverse vegetable diet with plenty of protein.

Then get outdoors - plenty of long walks, wild and natural landscapes preferred. Put him in situations where he has no choice but to interact with you.

While doing so...overly assert your love and pray together.

Much of the influences and habits of life today are poison to the young.

[VORTAC]

need advice. I have an adolescent with sever behavioral issues. Suicidal thoughts, violent behavior, bursts of emotion, anger and very drastic mood swings. Like you see in the movies about crazy people, but from a 12 year old. we have tried all sorts of therapy but nothing seems to move the needle. The last evaluation mentioned posbile hospitalization and medications. Does anyone have experience with this?

Has this behavior been occurring over several years and worsening, or is it relatively recent? I ask because I know of a young boy (11 years old) who exhibits many of the same behaviors and endured therapy, a slew of medications, and a stint in a hospital, all to no avail. New medications would seem to work for the first two weeks and then the child would revert, sometimes for the worse. He is now only recently (last four months or so) doing better after:

• Coming off ALL medications
• Ceasing all therapy in an office
• Began at-home therapy (took trying a couple of therapist before finding one with whom he related)
• Successful placement in an Individualized Education Program (IEP) at his public school
• Limiting TV/Video/Electronics to 30 minute blocks and that only on weekends
• Getting him more physically active by supporting and fostering his interest in a particular activity - this changed frequently (every few months or so) from Basketball to Parkour to Tae Kwan Do
• Parents learning how to better react to his outbursts (subjective, but hard learned lessons over time)
• Discovering very recently that his issues are likely due to him being on the Autism Spectrum, albeit at a very high functioning level - he is also highly sensitive to touch (e.g. tags on clothes, 'ill fitting' pants, beach sand); this took years to figure out
• Fantastic core group of friends and their parents who have been incredibly supporting and enduring

Please hang in there, it will get better.

[BunnySlippers]

Bookmark

[Mears]

bfl

[Mears]

This place saved our daughter’s life——in Boston.

https://jbcc.harvard.edu/

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[razor clam]

My wife and I have experienced similar issues with four of our five kids. Depression, wild mood swings, suicidal thoughts and anxiety issues. Also, one child engaged in self harm by cutting and another has ADD.

Having had no prior experience with anything similar prior to getting married and having kids, I felt utterly lost like a traveler in a foreign land with a map and no knowledge of the language.

We tried a number of things: starting with what felt safe and easy and advancing to what felt risky and scary. Therapy, dialectic counseling, biofeedback, meditation, support groups, and eventually prescription medication. Mostly SSRI meds. Today I am grateful that I overcame my initial prejudice against meds. For us, they have been a godsend and represent an essential part of my children’s treatment.

I echo the recommendation to seek help at a Children’s Hospital if available. Our experience has been that the medical professionals there have the best training and treatment approaches.

You can do this. Be open to new ways of treatment, but trust your intuition. God bless and prayers.

[Timmy]

Look up the book “Saving Sammy.” Not to say this is the same thing, but a lot of these behavior type issues are caused by physical issues. Modern medicine is only now starting to accept it, Find a doctor like that described in the book. The author of that book, Beth Alison Maloney, has written a second book “Childhood Interrupted,” that has helped many people like you. Hope you find the solution.