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Causes of Autism
Mayo Clinic ^ | NA | Mayo Clinic Staff

Posted on 12/17/2017 4:39:27 AM PST by Neoliberalnot

Autism spectrum disorder has no single known cause. Given the complexity of the disorder, and the fact that symptoms and severity vary, there are probably many causes. Both genetics and environment may play a role.

Genetics. Several different genes appear to be involved in autism spectrum disorder. For some children, autism spectrum disorder can be associated with a genetic disorder, such as Rett syndrome or fragile X syndrome. For other children, genetic changes (mutations) may increase the risk of autism spectrum disorder. Still other genes may affect brain development or the way that brain cells communicate, or they may determine the severity of symptoms. Some genetic mutations seem to be inherited, while others occur spontaneously. Environmental factors. Researchers are currently exploring whether factors such as viral infections, medications or complications during pregnancy, or air pollutants play a role in triggering autism spectrum disorder.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: autism; causes; deceptions; vaccinations
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To: exDemMom
Mom: "Vaccines consist of a killed or attenuated pathogen, or of proteins extracted from a pathogen"

Me: "Was there some reason that you left out toxoid vaccines which protect against the toxins made by the pathogen and do not contain the pathogen itself (killed or attenuated) or proteins extracted from the pathogen?"

Mom: "You should have probably looked up the definition of "toxoid" before posting that. A toxoid is a detoxified toxin extracted from a pathogen. A toxin is a poisonous protein. Toxins can be extracted directly from the pathogen and deactivated"

Again with the wiggle words Mom. "can be extracted directly from" is not the same as "are extracted directly from," now is it? I think the toxoid used in the tetanus vaccine is not extracted from the Clostridium tetan cell but instead is derived from the tetanospasmin produced by the Clostridium tetan cell and the tetanospasmin used to create the toxoid comes from outside of the Clostridium tetan cell and is not extracted from the cell.

Please correct me if I am wrong. A link would be appreciated.


"And I very specifically was not trying to cover every vaccine type, but to convey an idea of what vaccines are to an audience that is not scientists."

Oh, so I see here that you admit to fudging the facts... so why are you telling me that I am wrong when I point out this misstatement of yours?

That small complaint aside Mom, I seriously think that congratulations are in order. This is the first time I have ever seen you admit to making even the slightest mistake - even a minor misstatement. I am impressed!

Just a suggestion, but in the future when you are trying to simplify an explanation for your audience you should consider using a qualifier like, "most" or "generally speaking" - you know, something to make your statement fully correct and not a slight misstatement of the facts.

You know that most of our disagreements come from your over statements of the facts. Does - "ALL" food comes from atmospheric CO2 - No exceptions - ring a bell? I seem to remember you abandoning the thread after I proved you wrong on that one.

Or was it the "Again, no exception. Anaerobes use biomolecules to form their bodies, and, just as with aerobes, those biomolecules were originally formed from CO2 through the process of >photosynthesis." Again, when I proved this statement to be an overstatement you abandoned the thread. "No exceptions" in the real world rarely exist - as I have proven to you several times now.

But to end on a more cheerful note, other than your rude and demeaning nature, I find you to be an informative Freeper and I actually agree with you on many things. Cheers and Merry almost Christmas Mom.
241 posted on 12/17/2017 8:07:36 PM PST by Garth Tater (Gone Galt and I ain't coming back.)
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To: Albion Wilde

It’s bullshit and should be called such as another poster has. It could be something but it’s NOT science.


242 posted on 12/17/2017 8:09:44 PM PST by Twink
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To: Albion Wilde

re” “primed.”

Autism is not related to the birthing process.


243 posted on 12/17/2017 8:11:07 PM PST by Strac6 ("Mrs. Strac, Pilatus, and Sig Sauer: All the fun things in my life are Swiss!")
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To: Neoliberalnot
"Here’s an example of common knowledge, if one is facing north west is on your left. No need for a citation to convince most people since it is common knowledge."

Not if you're standing on the South Pole LOL

Seriously though, your simple example is irrelevant here as the subject we were discussing has no common, scientifically unchallenged base of facts. And arguing from common knowledge (actually common beliefs) is a logical fallacy in this case. As was your ad hominem and your argument from authority. If the facts are in dispute then arguing that "everybody knows" is a logical fallacy.

Did they maybe not teach logic back in your college days?
244 posted on 12/17/2017 8:20:46 PM PST by Garth Tater (Gone Galt and I ain't coming back.)
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To: exDemMom; Tax-chick; thecodont; Albion Wilde

Three items here:

1: Current research techniques at a cellular and DNA level and statistical follow-up can, withing one generation, identify if there is anything to this.

2: My personal gut feeling is that there is, although there is also certainly much more identification of autistic children than there was in the past.

3: A huge moral issue. If autism can be identified in- utero, will that lead to more abortions?. I would certainly expect that it would. I remember years ago when there were two sides of the genetic debate in the homosexual community. Some wanted science to discover a “gay gene” so no one could ever “blame” a homosexual for choosing that lifestyle,,,, while the other side was very afraid that the discovery of such a genetic marker would lead to the abortion of children genetically destined to be gay.

If one thinks that could not happen, one of the quiet secrets in the abortion industry is some women of a well-entrenched and very widely practiced American religion use amniocentesis to identify the sex of the fetus, then abort female babies because a male is much preferred in that branch of their faith.

There are no simple answers.


245 posted on 12/17/2017 8:26:01 PM PST by Strac6 ("Mrs. Strac, Pilatus, and Sig Sauer: All the fun things in my life are Swiss!")
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To: stanne

It’s a public, internet message board? You’re going to get comments that don’t agree with your post. Why is this so hard for people to understand?


246 posted on 12/17/2017 8:26:39 PM PST by Twink
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To: Garth Tater

So? You’ve been here for a little over two years (?) and know all the fan clubs and private freepmail gossip and know of the poster who has been here for many years? Yeah, you’re a two year poster, lmao.

But you’re right that she picked up at least one more reader of her posts even though you didn’t mean me in your post. I like posters who post facts and make sense. I’m glad she’s still posting here. We need more like her and less like the whoo whoo fanatical “let me connect with your feelings while you were in your mother’s womb” nonsense.


247 posted on 12/17/2017 8:36:51 PM PST by Twink
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To: tired&retired
None of those. I feel the memory stored in the soul around the physical body.

So, do you talk about it to the patient? And then he or she falls back or forward? How does that work?

248 posted on 12/17/2017 9:13:32 PM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: Twink
It could be something but it’s NOT science.

I hear you, but I'm trying to gather more evidence.

249 posted on 12/17/2017 9:15:47 PM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: Strac6
Autism is not related to the birthing process.

Not to the delivery process; but it could certainly be related to the formation of the fetus, in which case the health of the mother's body is a critical factor.

250 posted on 12/17/2017 9:17:31 PM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: Twink; exDemMom
"So? You’ve been here for a little over two years (?) and know all the fan clubs and private freepmail gossip and know of the poster who has been here for many years? Yeah, you’re a two year poster, lmao."

I don't know what you're laughing your ass off about Twink. I didn't start her fan club, they got a hold of me. Most of them hate her rude, condescending nature. Some of us enjoy her over-the-top, "I never make a mistake" hubris. Either way Mom is a celebrity on Free Republic - I'm surprised you haven't been reading her posts for years since you've been here for so long.


"I’m glad she’s still posting here.”

Me too! She's a hoot.
251 posted on 12/17/2017 9:29:28 PM PST by Garth Tater (Gone Galt and I ain't coming back.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Could be, but there seems to be no research results along that line.

I think it’s pretty obvious that Autism is cellular, genetic and/or and DNA related and therefore ongoing from moment of conception.

Have a good week.


252 posted on 12/17/2017 9:35:22 PM PST by Strac6 ("Mrs. Strac, Pilatus, and Sig Sauer: All the fun things in my life are Swiss!")
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To: Neoliberalnot

“I realize more cases are being diagnosed. There were several items listed as responsible including the clear familial links, environmental pollutants, especially in air, etc”

Yet, so many parents describe an immediate effect on their infants following immunization.

All you’ll get in the US is excuses and coverup of the most prevalent cause of autism -vaccinations.

Aluminum adjuvants are used in vaccines as a preservative. The aluminum can cause inflammation in the brain. The inflammation damages the brain.

http://vaccinesafetycommission.org/pdfs/22-2012-Lupus-Aluminum-Shaw.pdf

“…it is somewhat surprising to find that in spite of over 80 years of use, the safety of Al adjuvants continues to rest on assumptions rather than scientific evidence. For example, nothing is known about the toxicology and pharmacokinetics of Al adjuvants in infants and children…Yet, in spite of these observations children continue regularly to be exposed to much higher levels of Al adjuvants than adults, via routine childhood vaccination programmes.”


253 posted on 12/18/2017 1:11:36 AM PST by Justa
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To: Strac6
There are no simple answers.

So true! There are probably no simple answers simply on the factual level. I have read several articles recently which pointed out that the vast majority of medical studies are never replicated: either no attempt is made, or the attempt fails. So what we think we know may not be so ... or it may be, but the level of evidence is much lower than we would prefer.

And then, there are no easy answers on the moral level, as prenatal diagnosis of other conditions has demonstrated. In Iceland it would be obvious - kill every unborn baby who tests positive, regardless of the level of accuracy - but that is not likely to take hold in the U.S.

254 posted on 12/18/2017 2:58:08 AM PST by Tax-chick ("The world is a dangerous place, and it's more dangerous if you have something worth stealing."~KW)
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To: exDemMom; Morgana

I ONLY care about dead babies, bot dead cows or dogs.


255 posted on 12/18/2017 3:24:57 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: exDemMom
Before widespread measles vaccination, nearly 3 million people died of it every year.

I lived, as a child in a huge demographic. A large middle class borough of NYC. People generally didn’t die of measles there because the health care was fairly good. You got sick and you were taken care of. You’re confusing middle class America with 3rd world death traps.

256 posted on 12/18/2017 3:42:56 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Justa

Al in adjuvants is trivial compared to Al in cans, cookware, food, most anything made of metal today. There is no escape from a lifetime of daily Al exposure.


257 posted on 12/18/2017 4:32:31 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (MSM is our greatest threat. Disney, Comcast, Hollywood, NYTimes, WaPo, CNN, NBC, CBS...)
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To: exDemMom; Ann Archy

Cows and dogs? Surprised PETA is not all over that.

Can see why they would use cows, we eat that animal so probably a lot of cows to use however ever heard of “mad cow disease”? yea..would not want them using that.

Same for dogs...rabies.


258 posted on 12/18/2017 5:19:11 AM PST by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Vaquero

The death rate from measles is lowered when people have good health care, but not eliminated.

Roald Dahl, the famous writer of children’s books, lost his 7 year old daughter to measles in 1962. She had the best care available, but, sadly, the measles virus went into her brain and caused her to die. His account of that loss is heart-wrenching.

Children who live through measles can have permanent brain damage resulting in mental retardation, or they can become blind or deaf as a direct consequence of the illness. There is some evidence that past infection with measles triggers a condition that can lead to deafness many years after having the disease. I only know about that one because I found out just two weeks ago that I have it. I’ve lost some hearing and may eventually go deaf, but for now, my hearing is still in the normal range. I do not remember ever having measles, though.

One rare complication of measles is that it leaves a time bomb in the brain. The patient seems to recover from measles, but the time bomb in the brain can activate years later and cause a fatal encephalitis.


259 posted on 12/18/2017 6:05:28 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Garth Tater
Again with the wiggle words Mom. "can be extracted directly from" is not the same as "are extracted directly from," now is it? I think the toxoid used in the tetanus vaccine is not extracted from the Clostridium tetan cell but instead is derived from the tetanospasmin produced by the Clostridium tetan cell and the tetanospasmin used to create the toxoid comes from outside of the Clostridium tetan cell and is not extracted from the cell.

Once again, you only demonstrate your utter lack of scientific training. When a protein is extracted from any kind of organism, it does not matter if the protein is secreted into the media, if the protein is located in the periplasmic space, if it is located in occlusion bodies, or if it is found in any other location associated with the cell. The only significance of that is the selection of method used to extract the protein--which is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

As I have mentioned before, and others have joined me, why don't you take a few years to actually take some basic science classes? Get back to me when you understand the full picture--better yet, when you understand why pseudoscience websites are NOT a valid source of scientific information.

Oh, so I see here that you admit to fudging the facts... so why are you telling me that I am wrong when I point out this misstatement of yours?

Do you seriously expect me to write a 200 page dissertation on the various vaccine types and production methods? It is not "fudging the facts" to condense reams of very complicated information into a simplified format that relays the important points to people who have no scientific background.

Does - "ALL" food comes from atmospheric CO2 - No exceptions - ring a bell?

As I recall, you combined two separate things that I said. One, is that the basic building block of biological molecules in *all* organisms is CO2, no exceptions. The other is that another poster could mock his rabidly liberal (and unthinking niece) by telling her that every item in the Thanksgiving spread was atmospheric CO2 a few short months ago. I have already deconstructed your misrepresentation of what I said several times; there is no need to go over that again.

The issue here is that you have trouble accepting that you are wrong, compounded by the fact that you have internalized pseudoscience. That is your issue, not mine. If you would actually study valid science for a few years, starting with basic chemistry, biology, physics, and mathematics, and working your way to more complicated subjects, you might actually develop an understanding of the "big picture."

260 posted on 12/18/2017 7:02:01 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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