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Yes, gentle Freepers, you and I get to pay for Johhny's degree in Women's Interpretive Dance.
1 posted on 10/17/2017 6:43:07 AM PDT by pabianice
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quote “right to leisure or our right to recreate”

whoa... must have missed those rights!

don’t tell my kids about them!


2 posted on 10/17/2017 6:45:26 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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Universal Basic Income. It works great in North Korea.


3 posted on 10/17/2017 6:45:34 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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Hmmmm... “right to leisure” and “right to recreate”... those are addressed as rights in the Constitution... where?


4 posted on 10/17/2017 6:47:38 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberals, go find another country.)
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Does anyone remember the lines in the soviet grocery store? Standing in line for hours for rotten potatoes...............


5 posted on 10/17/2017 6:48:15 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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Socialism does not work...thump...socialism does not work...thump...socialism does not work...thump...socialism does not work...thump...socialism does not work...thump...socialism does not work..


6 posted on 10/17/2017 6:50:22 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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Is this panel part of UMass’ Mental Masturbation Major ?


7 posted on 10/17/2017 6:52:08 AM PDT by tomkat
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So maybe I can get an extra $1K/mo and collect my retirement too?


10 posted on 10/17/2017 6:54:22 AM PDT by umgud
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And their PhD in Advanced “How I am feeling today”.


12 posted on 10/17/2017 6:55:20 AM PDT by Little Pig
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Yeah, this is the person who tells me that everyone deserves the same income:

Seems to me a Ph.D. economist should have been on the "expert" panel. The sad thing is a lot of people will believe the bullcrap that comes out of this.

13 posted on 10/17/2017 6:56:20 AM PDT by econjack
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“Freedom is not empowerment. Empowerment is what the Serbs have in Bosnia. Anybody can grab a gun and be empowered. It’s not entitlement. An entitlement is what people on welfare get, and how free are they? It’s not an endlessly expanding list of rights — the “right” to education, the “right” to food and housing. That’s not freedom, that’s dependency. Those aren’t rights, those are the rations of slavery — hay and a barn for human cattle.”
— PJ O’Rourke


16 posted on 10/17/2017 7:03:40 AM PDT by Noumenon (Can you imagine if Islam were NOT the religion of peace?)
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Universal Basic Income == Communism


18 posted on 10/17/2017 7:22:56 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (You can't have totalitarian globalist government if the peasants are armed.)
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I grew up in a town in the '50s where a "universal basic income" was available. It was in northern Minnesota in a medium sized town surrounded by three Indian reservations. In order to receive this "universal basic income", one simply had to demonstrate at least 1/8 Indian blood (one great grandparent), and to live on one of the reservations. The "universal basic income" was paid by the federal government through the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

It seemed to me that the "universal basic income" destroyed the incentive to do most anything else. Most homes, at least those visible from the public roads, were described as "tar paper shacks". Alcoholism was rampant, at least as indicated by the public arrest records in the local paper. The town held the record of being the most crime riddled town in Minnesota.

Do we really want this for the entire US?

19 posted on 10/17/2017 7:24:54 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones.)
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UNIVERSAL COMMUNISM

Universal Anything is Communism eg background checks.

Univ Basic Income begins signing up 3rd world nations, bring your poverty to America.


20 posted on 10/17/2017 7:41:04 AM PDT by TheNext (FBI FAKE STORY: Lone Shooter, But Died)
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You wanna tighten the workforce? BUILD THE DAMNED WALL!!!


21 posted on 10/17/2017 7:45:24 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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No use trying to reason with these people. They are incapable of understanding.


24 posted on 10/17/2017 7:49:56 AM PDT by I want the USA back (*slam is a violent political movement that hides behind the illusion of religion.)
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These kids need to study the Industrial Revolution and the rise of Luddites - who had the same complaints & fears of automated systems destroying jobs and leaving people without incomes, fears which were misplaced as job markets changed to hire people into other work.

The fears about AI are strange to me. I’ve studied implementation of AI - it’s nothing more than searching data for suitable answers; nobody can articulate what the _actual_ concern is.

The “right to leisure” is patently absurd. The staggering stupidity of dubbing it a “right” aside... We live in the most luxurious culture of all time: the _average_ TV-watching time spent is around 40 hours per week, a full-time job spent doing nothing; what more leisure does anyone want? Much of the drive for UBI is to “give people the opportunity to pursue their dreams” ... well, most people don’t have “dreams” worth pursuing; sorry to say, but seriously? how many people would really turn copious free time into “productive” (very broadly defined) efforts, and not just watch TV, putter aimlessly, get high, or pointlessly copulate?

The ultimate failure of UBI is the confusion of surplus productivity with the fragility of wealth. Humans need a minimum caloric intake - which isn’t free, is destroyed by consumption, and serves only to provide a limited window to produce more caloric or other “income”. UBI presumes others are producing so much extra wealth that this (and other basics) can be supported with little/no impact or consternation upon the producers. UBI makes this presumption while willfully blind to the fact that such redistribution _wastes_ that wealth (literally turns to $#!^) instead of leveraging it into more productivity. They’re so dazzled by the surplus of wealth that they don’t see how hard it was to come by, nor how fast that surplus can be squandered & discouraged.

UBI is offered as a solution to unemployment, on the pretext that unemployment will rise due to increased automation - not realizing that there will ALWAYS be more to do, which others will pay for, which is cheaper to hire a human to do instead of automate.

UBI is offered as a springboard to greater productivity, on the pretext that people can’t “move up” when they’re stuck in a menial job - not realizing that _most_ people will do nothing productive given copious free time; of those who may do something interesting, most still won’t do anything that actually advances production of basic necessities.

UBI is offered as a use of surplus productivity, on the pretext that some people are so hyper-productive that vast numbers of others can live off such excess without discouraging the actual producer - not realizing that it’s the receipt of one’s own hard-earned rewards that keep that productivity going, and that confiscating much of it (just so it can be squandered) eliminates the incentive.

Insofar as we DO have a massive welfare state, UBI is (I concede grudgingly) the most efficient & fair way to distribute that welfare: give the same poverty-line sustenance to everyone, so those that can’t/won’t produce can get by, and those who do produce just re-absorb their own money. Alas, this too shall fail, precisely because (A) lots of people will be quite content living at the poverty line so long as they don’t have to work for it, and (B) lots of people will then become bored & jealous and use their copious free time to demand ever more from the productive - who will eventually “go Galt” leaving millions to just die.

Final under-discussed issue: UBI will raise entire generations (moreso than current welfare) on the complete lack of work. When the surplus productivity falters, these will have no comprehension of how to fend for themselves. What a cruelty to impose upon the dependent poor!


26 posted on 10/17/2017 8:12:33 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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My speech will pay for their speech to protest and burn my home when I am at work when I disagree.

THis is an absolute no no scam.


27 posted on 10/17/2017 8:37:49 AM PDT by lavaroise
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