Game of Thrones 7.05 ‘Eastwatch’

HBO ^ | 8/13/2017 | Self

[Boomer]

Since no one else started it yet... a quiet but full episode.

[GingisK]

ETs are definitely baited using Skittles. We've seen that tactic used successfully. The White Walkers are different in several respects, but notably with a taste for chocolate. I suspect the crunch of the thin candy shell attracts them as well.

You can snag me with Oreos.

[Rebelbase]

Bigger question, if true will Danerys bend the knee to John Snow?

[LibertarianLiz]

Bigger question, if true will Danerys bend the knee to John Snow?

LOL! Absolutely not. I believe her reaction to the very idea will be Drakaris!.

[BroJoeK]

"Was I the only one to sense the sexual tension between Jon and Dany?
And what is Littlefinger up to now; the sneaky SOB.
Arya's talents come in handy..."

If Daenerys Targaryen and Jon Snow/Targaryen are as closely related as it appears, and if Daenerys is indeed infertile, not clear how this might lead somewhere romantically or dynastically.

Littlefinger Petyr Baelish was in love with Catelyn Stark and now hovers over her daughters, as if they were his own.
As if?

If one or both are, that would make her unrelated to Jon Snow/Targaryen.
So which of the two Stark girls looks more like your typical Stark woman, for example, Lyanna Stark, Jon's mother:

Arya is my favorite: tough, smart, quick, stealthy, deadly.
I sure hope they write a nice story-ending for her.
She deserves it.

[Boomer]

Good points about Arya and Sansa and I too hope the ending brings great things for Arya but also Sansa for everything she endured. She went from being a fragile pretty royal girl to a strong seasoned woman not to be taken lightly. She witnessed first hand the ugliness within the royal families; something that didn’t exist in her own Stark family that she saw or was too young to understand. The Starks didn’t have a Cercei type that I know of.

There is a theory Sansa is pregnant with the evil bastard Ramsay Bolton’s seed and Littlefinger is manipulating his way into marrying her and pretend the kid is theirs together. Littlefinger’s ambition for stature and power of the throne is unequaled in this story line I think. Probably because he wasn’t born a royal. Quite the ladder climber. Isn’t he a land and castle owner now given to him by the first Lanaster boy king? Maybe even a duke. From commoner, to business man to brothel keeper to Duke and land/castle owner. Soon to be King of the North maybe. I guess that would leave Jon and Dany to rule from the Iron Throne but which one will rule? There can be only one ruler. One will have to take a back seat to the other if that is indeed how it plays out. When the finale happens; what happens to the dragons? Do they have a few eggs that sit for centuries until needed again?

Bran continues to be more and more distant as if he is transitioning from human to magical tree/raven creature who observes but doesn’t interfere except in small ways such as giving the Valyrian steel knife to Arya. I have a feeling that knife has a very special purpose ahead of it that only Arya with her special skills can manage to use it for. Maybe she will kill the Night King with it.

At some point we saw the Children of the forest, who lived forever until they got killed protecting Bran. It’s thought a few survived and still live in the deep caverns in the North. They created the White Walkers to fight the men at the time because they never did have large numbers or strength. Later on the men and the Children made a pact and lived side by side for thousands of years. I guess the White Walkers go dormant for long periods of time until “triggered” like a snowflake. Pun intended considering they are frozen beings.

[tbw2]

If married, she could hand down heirship to one Jon’s heirs. I’m thinking Sansa’s children, and if by Tyrion, it fullfills her expectation of being the mother of princes and princesses.

[Impy]

Littlefinger never saw Catelyn Stark between the time her dad kicked him out of Riverrun for fighting a duel over her until she came to King’s Landing in the first book/season 1 of the show. Sansa looks like young Cat and he wants to bang her, that’s why he’s hovering. ;d

In any case, Jon is only Sansa and Arya’s cousin and cousin marriage is perfectly cool (still cool in some places in the real world and legal in several US states), not considered incest, Tywin Lannister was married to his first cousin.

In George RR Martin’s first draft of the story, Arya was in love with Jon (and Tyrion in love with her LOL)!

As to Dany, I wouldn’t assume she’s actually infertile just because that witch told her so. In her last book chapter it seems like she might be having a miscarriage after eating some wild berries that made her sick.

[jdsteel]

Snickers!

[wardaddy]

Arya is certain to kill Littlefinger

The North remembers...

Sansa is so cute now

I still miss...Ros

[BroJoeK]

Boomer: " I too hope the ending brings great things for Arya but also Sansa for everything she endured."

I assume Sansa will come out with a story-book happy ending, though have no real idea what that could be and, given the authors' penchant for killing off some nice characters, wonder if they won't wreak revenge against somebody like, say, Arya?
So why is my first thought, after seeing Gendry again: Arya?

Anyway, thanks for the info on "children of the forest", I'd never picked up on any of that.

[BroJoeK]

Impy: "Littlefinger never saw Catelyn Stark between the time her dad kicked him out of Riverrun for fighting a duel over her until she came to King’s Landing in the first book/season 1 of the show.
Sansa looks like young Cat and he wants to bang her, that’s why he’s hovering. ;d"

Thanks for that.

Impy: "In any case, Jon is only Sansa and Arya’s cousin and cousin marriage is perfectly cool..."

Maybe in real-life, but in fiction I'd think not so much, especially as part of a happy ending.
So let me suggest something else to you: why did Cateyln Stark happily put up with supposedly her husband's bastard son (Jon "Snow") at Winterfell?
Might it not be that Ned Stark knew a secret or two about her too?

Might not the deal be: you accept mine, I'll accept yours?

Another thought, since these fantasies seem to borrow liberally from each other, might sneaky Littlefinger be less sinister and more "Snape-like" than it now seems?

Anyway, thanks for your comments, much appreciated.

[BroJoeK]

Thanks, agreed or at least hoped on all points.
Sansa is awesome, says she learned much from Cersei.
I just hope not too much!
Just as it's hoped Daenerys didn't inherit too much from her father.

I had forgotten how Littlefinger accommodated Joffrey with Ros.
Did he not also rescue Sansa, twice?
At what price to her?

[Impy]

Marrying a cousin (common in Westeros and the real world in the middle ages and not considered incest) would be more of a traditional happy ending (which I definitely don’t expect from this series!) than marrying your aunt! Though avunculate marriages (a closer relation than cousins, sharing a quarter of genetic material) also happened in the real world, more rarely, so maybe the people of Westeros would consider that on the same level as cousins. They hated the traditional Targaryen brother/sister incest. The books are not traditional fantasy, it’s more like historical fiction (though not set in the real world) war drama with the fantasy elements very much on the side and not at all the focus. I mean banking and debt and proto-paper currency are all plot elements!

I don’t think Martin would have taken anything from Harry Potter, which was published around the same time and very different, children’s books. He borrowed a lot from real medieval history. I’m not aware of any real life figures if any that might have gone into Littlefinger but in book and show (made kinda cartoonish in the show) I think he’s definitely 100% out for himself with next to no altruistic qualities. He does stuff like hoard food so can sell it at inflated prices during the winter.

Cat was actually very very unhappy about Jon and hated him and wished Ned hadn’t brought him to Winterfell (nothing she could do about that). In one of her chapters in the books she thought she could have forgiven Ned having a dozen bastards so long as she didn’t have to look at them. One reason Ned let Jon join the Nightswatch is that Cat didn’t want him to stay at Winterfell with Ned gone. The books use first person POVs and she was a POV character so we know her children are all Ned’s. Ironically in the books though after Littlefinger rescues Sansa from King’s Landing he has her pose as his bastard daughter to conceal her identify.

I wonder if Lysa’s (Cat’s sister) kid could be Littlefinger’s bastard but I think it would have come up by now.

[Valpal1]

Chaos is a ladder. By sowing seeds of discord between the two sisters, he cultivates further influence over Sansa, whom he is grooming both for the throne and as his bride.

Sansa may very well become a queen, but I bet she decides to make a go of it with Tyrion, who currently is still her lawful spouse.

And I also think Tyrion is Targerion, just as Tywin always suspected.

[BroJoeK]

"I don’t think Martin would have taken anything from Harry Potter..."

Thanks for a very informative post.
Wardaddy reminded me about Ros, whom Littlefinger helped do-in awfully.
But he also helped out Sansa, more than once, suggesting he's not entirely evil-hearted.
Of course, Sansa knows the price he wants in return, and obviously doesn't want to pay it.
But is death for Littlefinger really a fair compensation?
Some new crime is necessary, and that's what we may be seeing develop now... ?

[Impy]

I forgot about Ros, one of his worst acts in the show, and he told Ros how he sold another girl into slavery!

In the books there is no Ros (Martin says he loved the character though) but Littlefinger does an evil thing to a friend of Sansa’s named Jeyne Poole. Sends her to one of his brothels, then the Lannisters pass her off as Arya and marry her to Ramsey Bolton (in the books Sansa is still with Littlefinger in the Vale, it’s Jeyne who suffers)

Littlefinger in the show has really suffered for the lack of book material. I’m very glad that they are giving him some action finally but I expect the Starks to figure out he’s not their friend and for him to die. If they knew he betrayed Ned (which is not exactly a state secret)....