Posted on 07/21/2017 2:49:18 PM PDT by pabianice
Eric Ziegler, 38, didn't do a good enough job teaching his son Christopher to wash his hands after going to the bathroom. So the State of Oregon put the boy in foster care.
That's not the only reason the government intervened. But a lengthy story by Samantha Swindler in The Oregonian doesn't shy away from the awful, outrage-inducing truth: The state has taken a couple's children away not because they're abusing or neglecting the kids but because it thinks the parents aren't smart enough to raise them properly.
Ziegler and his partner, Amy Fabbrini, both have below-average IQs—72 and 66, respectively—according to documents provided to The Oregonian. After Christopher was born in 2013, other family members (most significantly, Fabbrini's father, who has a troubled relationship with her) started warning the state's child welfare agency that there were problems.
When the state Department of Human Services began investigating, it found no signs of abuse. But they did find representations of the struggles and frustrations of people with learning disabilities attempting to be parents:
In reports of concerns about the couple's parenting skills, a MountainStar [a nonprofit Oregon group devoted to helping prevent child abuse] worker recalled having to prompt them to have Christopher wash his hands after using the toilet and to apply sunscreen to all of his skin rather than just his face. Fabbrini and Ziegler's attorneys argue these weren't sufficient reasons to keep them from their son.
This year the couple had a second son, Hunter. The state also took custody of him. This time they didn't even wait to see how they'd behave as parents: Fabbrini was still in the hospital when they took the boy.
Oregon's justification for taking Christopher and Hunter away: "limited cognitive abilities that interfere with [their] ability to safely parent."
(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...
[ With Standards such as that most Refugees from ME should probably be sterilized before allowing entry to the USA
just saying ]
but that would be RACIST!
but if they are WHITE, yank their kids away from them...
[ After seeing that map it appears that non-Muslims skew the average in the ME ]
Mooselimb countries barely crack 90 avg...
The couple did not even know the wife was pregnant with this most recent child they had.
Thank you for that link. There’s a lot of information on that page. Bookmarked.
Only negligence or abuse should be a criteria for taking children away, not the highly subjunctive idea that the parents are too stupid.
That could be an exponentially growing list.
If the Oregon “authorities” were turned loose in Chicago and other crime-filled inner cities, they might actually do some good.
The progressive “intelligencia” were major promoters of eugenics a century ago.
I remember reading a number of years ago that Howard County, MD -— a county with a very high income, highly educated, and presumable high-IQ demographic profile —— had one of the highest child abuse/ neglect rates in the state of Maryland.
The problems seemed to stem from these parents’ jaw-droppingly unrealistic expectations for their Planned, Perfect and Privileged kids, and their consequent high disappointment, frustration, resentment, and anger toward their children.
Plus there were plain bad priorities: “You moron! You dribbled fudge sauce on our $7,000 sofa! You’re the most idiotic 3-year-old in Columbia!” (Followed up with throwing the kid up against the wall a few times.)
Plus parents were just routinely shuffling off all their responsibilities onto au pairs, nannies, and let’s not forget therapists, with the actual parents just providing interface between the kid and other adults.
I’d make sure these “dumb” Oregon parents got at- home advisory support, and I wouldn’t use the pretext -— always shaky -— of “low IQ” to rip their family apart.
isn't that the average iq of the average illegal immigrant/refugee?
Hi, All-—
In view of recent pro-eugenics policy suggestions by members of the Free Republic chapter of the Margaret Sanger Fan Club:
We ought to reflect on the fact that forced sterilization was one of the things that gave Nazism a bad name.
I was involved in an investigation of abuses by the UtahCPS about 20 years ago. There were caseworkers that can only be described as evil. They would take children under the flimsiest excuses and do everything they could to end the parent’s rights so the CPS could get $ for adopting them out. They targetted only the poor and lower middle class who couldn’t afford lawyers. Actual cases of abuse by wealthy or politically connected people were routinely ignored. 100% of children taken were labelled with mental disorders and placed on adult psychiartric meds. Children were taken sometimes merely to fill beds in 3rd party facilities, again every child put on psych meds.
The investigation was sparked by the deaths of infants that were placed in homes of very nasty people.
It was so bad that aside from a few of these evil case workers most new workers hired out of college quit after 2 years because they couldn’t stand it. Most of the info about the CPS crimes came from ex-employees.
Eventually some new laws and Federal Receivership ended the worst of the abuses. But these agencies need constant watchdogging because they will go rogue very easily.
I have to keep reminding myself that eugenicists abound on the FR.
I agree that this low IQ couple should not be raising children, at least not without close family supervision AND CPS supervision as well.
I know of an instance of borderline IQ parents (I would guess about 85 to 95) who were absolutely incapable of raising their children, and the children really suffered for it. They did not have such basic skills as table manners or understanding personal hygiene — or good nutrition. Their childhoods were absolutely barren, no bedtime stories, no lullabies, silly songs and games, trips to the park, learning to swim or ride a bike, etc. — and worse, no sensible moral teaching/guidance and or correction to naughty behavior — it was either excessive cruelty or indifference. The extended families tried their best to be involved, but the parents were crazy violent, threatened to make the children disappear, etc. They tried to get CPS involved, and they tried to take custody of the children, but for some reason the state chose to ignore the situation and they had to disengage for sanity’s sake.
However, when the eldest child reached the age of 18, with the help of his school counselor, was able to engage an attorney. He went to court, told the judge about his hellish home life, that any foster home had to be better than what he and his sibs were going through, and how utterly incompetent his parents were, not feeding the children properly, sometimes not at all, not providing such basic necessities as beds, toothbrushes, etc. The judge ordered CPS to investigate thoroughly and immediately. The children were finally taken out of this situation, and eventually parental rights were all but terminated. Fortunately, the extended families wanted the children so foster homes were not necessary.
The state has a responsibility toward minor children, who are, after all, citizens/residents of this country. The state has a duty to ensure that the children have the basic necessities of life and to protect them.
The right of the parent is not absolute! The parent has no more right to endanger the safety or welfare of his/her child than anyone else does.
I have a new disclaimer “If you want to Immigrate w Refugee Status and are Male of Military age and Muslim w an IQ < 80. Irreversible Sterilization is Mandatory.
Castration without anesthesia using a piece of Glass for extra Points and consideration, (a procedure pain wise is not much different than what they impose on their Females)”
Does that make me Hitler? ;^))
(Hitler opened his arms to low IQ Radicals and I don’t care if it gave Nazism a bad Reputation and Margret Sanger gives the Nazi’s a run for their $ in the reputation department)
It just makes you like Hitler.
THis is just odd.
I understand they have very low IQ’s, but does that render them unfit parents? Apparently, because they are white. There are plenty of sub-80 IQ blacks raising children and we don’t see any action on that front do we....
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