Posted on 05/07/2017 7:01:58 AM PDT by Badboo
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Funny, I didn’t see the “tax issue” mentioned in the Confederate Constitution nearly as prominently as slavery, which by name was mentioned 3 times. Any notion that the war was over anything other than slavery, and any notion that the “states rights” the South fought over were anything other than the rights to own other humans, is laughable.
John C. Calhoun was the ultimate PC Marxist: in the 1830s he said that not only did southerners have a right to own their slaves, but that ANY DISCUSSION/CRITICISM of slavery needed to be prohibited & ppl jailed. Gee, sounds like John C. Calhoun, the Science Guy.
He was worse even than that.
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As it was, four million southerners paid seventy-five percent of the federal income versus twenty million northerners who only paid twenty-five percent of the federal income. That the majority of this money was then spent on northern interest only added to the insult. The South had simply had enough of being abused.
Exactly how did the South pay 75% of the Federal income?
Wow, what a bunch of tripe. You know not the real history.
Go read the southern declarations of independence, guess what, they say they are succeeding because the north threatens slavery in their states. Explicitly it was the south that defined the war about slavery, not the north.
As I expect if you have gotten this far without knowledge of that, you will be too lazy to research it, so here is the link for you. Read it and be educated.
https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
http://www.civil-war.net/pages/ordinances_secession.asp
30 years after the war was over southern apologists tried to rewrite history and a to an extent succeeded. Just so you know it is the left that currently furthers this view of bad north, as it favors black grievances.
Most metropolitan areas in the South are replete with migrants from the North.
Check your history - even Lincoln said it was about taxes - the CC has nothing to do with the origin of session.
Sometimes, ones’ perceptions are skewed. For instance, the French think Marine Le Pen is far right, when she’s essentially a socialist on everything but immigration and cultural survival.
Perhaps yours is as well.
They didn’t pay anything. There was a tariff on certain goods. If they didn’t want to pay taxes, don’t buy the goods or make your own. Oh, wait, that’s right, they were too busy owning slaves.
Study after study has shown that slavery was profitable. Moreover, even though manufacturing was almost THREE TIMES as profitable, the South clung to its slaves. Gee, wonder why?
Calhoun was correctly labeled in one article the “Marx of the Master Class.” He thoroughly agreed with socialist/Marxist principles and the labor theory of value, which is the basis of all communist systems.
I will freely admit that I don't participate in the Civil War threads as much as others around here, but when I do I am constantly amazed by the fact that Confederate supporters express pride in the Southern soldiers and the Southern leaders and the Southern cause yet seem to be so embarrassed to admit that the whole thing was motivated by slavery and their perceived threat to that institution posed by the Lincoln election. Facts are facts. The leaders of the time admitted it. Many of the rank and file in the army admitted it. Why can't 21st Century Confederates admit it as well? Why does it bother you so? It was, as you pointed out, legal. It isn't like the Confederacy rebelled over pot imports or something like that.
The TRUTH is that Lincoln sacrificed the lives of over half a million men in the prime of their lives so that Yankee fat cats could keep stealing money from the South.
I tell you what, let's have a contest. I will post quotes from the Southern leaders of the time that their cause was over slavery, you post quotes from Southern leaders of the time that it was about tariffs. I'll start first:
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery, the greatest material interest of the world. --Mississppi Declaration of the Causes of Secession
Here is another:
What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery. -- Speech of Henry Benning to the Virginia Secession Convention
Your turn. Any Southern leader of the period you care to quote.
The Civil War was about state's rights. More specifically, it was about the right of a state to allow her citizens to own another human being in servitude.
Nope, sorry but I don’t suffer from hypersensitivity. I can read the historical records and see that no one came into the conflict with totally clean hands - there was plenty of blame to go around. But The Civil War Trust did a fine job of hewing a line right down the center.
Reasonable people - regardless of their personal circumstance or place of birth - won’t be offended by this presentation.
I blame mass media. Entertainment and news are delivered to all corners of the country, with the same generic accent, in a way that was not possible a generation ago. Also, characters in movies with a pronounced southern accents are almost invariably villains.
Quote please?
tariffs
He was a very strange man, who was apparently heavily influenced by his father.
LOL. Correct.
The Civil War was fought to preserve the Union, and there was monetary motivation behind the federal government needing to do so. There was no love lost upon the slaves by the northern states, their people or their governments, or even by Abraham Lincoln himself, with numerous cites and quotes to back that up.
Don’t you think it’s quite possibly time for that admission to be made in the modern era rather than clinging to the glorious myth of Union soldiers riding off on their white horses to save the slaves? No such thing occurred.
The Emancipation Proclamation was a military document, intended to foment insurrection in the south. It did not free any slaves outside of those states that had seceded. Slaves in Union states were not freed until some time after the Confederate surrender.
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