It will shoot 9" 5 rnd groups at 400yds. Its almost as good at 600yds but I haven't a range to work with it enough.
Posted on 04/06/2017 10:06:27 PM PDT by MtnClimber
Was that tested and shelved or just another case talk being cheap?
“I’ve been using an M14 at the range and thought it was the go to weapon.”
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I woulda thought it’d be the M16. Well, I learned something new today re:standard issue rifles!
http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-the-us-military-is-replacing-the-m16-2015-10
I prefer a scoped FAL to the M14. But if I had to carry it around all day, I’d prefer something a lot lighter. Something like an m1 carbine updated with last round bolt hold open, rock in magazines, improved ammo.
7.62x54R?? The bad guys are shooting Mosin’s?
The M16 was plagued by corrupt procurement problems. They were feeding it the wrong ammo.
Yep, lots of dust around Phu Bai and Hue.
I dont even know enough to understand how you could feed the wrong ammo, unfortunately.
I always assumed there was only one type of ammo for each gun.
I’m a city slicker so forgive me :)
You forgot the Mosin Nagant.
CC
The government did not follow Stoner’s spec requirement for the M16, removing the chrome lining in chamber and barell resulting in caking of dust and mud there. Also they did not issue a cleaning kit, saying the rifle was self cleaning. There was a couple other things they did not do.
Nowadays the M16 is up to Stoner specs and better and is ultra reliable. You still need to clean it, unlike the AK. They are arguably more reliable that the M14 that US soldiers wanted back in the jungle (also the 7.62 bullet would not get deviated by shrubs as much as 556, however, a video on Youtube iraqveteran88 shows that lever action in 30-30 is best bullet for brush gun as it is the least deviating round and would be even better than AK for survival in a bad Vietnam like scenario).
The Army made the same mistake also with the M9 Berreta. Berreta said to use smooth blueing on the mags and not mate. The army used mate and it caked up dust again there too.
The only good AR-10 that would contend with the M-14 as battle rifle is the SR-25 from Knights Armament or the HK716 and maybe the LMT the British snipers. The rest of AR-10 are not reliable, although Daniel Defense is supposedly excellent too in trials compared to SR-25. For lighter weight the special forces use the SCAR Heavy.
I think the Army should really consider the 6.5 mm Creedmoore. It has excellent long range ballistics due to a very good ballistic coefficient. They only would have to change the barrel of the SR-25 as it is the same exact cartridge except for the bullet, although some say getting a Scar in 6.5 would be problematic somehow.
Wow. Thanks man.
I understood 50 percent. I’m shocked :)
Now I have a lot of looking things up before I bother you guys with more questions!
I fully understand the reasons the Beretta and M16 had issues.
I am just not familiar with the other weapons. I shall look those up.
I only found out 5.56MM wasn’t a quote from the Bible :)
Unfortunately, that’s a true story. Figured it out about four months ago.
A certain FReeper uses it at the bottom of all of his posts.
I loved- and still love- my old Big Ugly M60. Learned from an old ‘Nam hand how to fire it standing, on the run, and from the hip. Best education I ever got.
It will shoot 9" 5 rnd groups at 400yds. Its almost as good at 600yds but I haven't a range to work with it enough.
---DaNang,AnHoa and all points in between.
IIRC (If I recall correctly) the early M-16's, their slides were not "chromed plated," after the trouble was properly diagnosed, they started to chrome plate them, and it seemed to solve the problem.
I was never in the military, but just someone involved with working with metal(s) (autobody / welding/ home machinist.)
Damn guys.
Sounds brutal.
Probably the Russian Dragunov.
The M14 is not for gurls.
After my first tour I still remember the bus ride to LAX from a smaller airport out in Orange County (I think?). I was shocked at how clean and bright everything was in the US.
What was the status of living in South and North Vietnam?
Did we (you guys) fight in areas of both sides?
I saw “We Were Solders” with Mel Gibson.
Did you see it? Was that NV?
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