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To: BroJoeK; Pelham; x; rockrr; HandyDandy

Martin van Buren owned a slave, whom he inherited from his father. The slave ran away when VB was a teenager. VB was always “personally anti-slave” as so many modern “pro-choice” people are, but his POLICIES were specifically designed to protect and preserve the slave system.

So what he did in 1848, like the woman in “Roe v. Wade,” its kind of nice after the fact, but way too late. He as much as anyone not only brought on the Civil War but saddled us with a two-party system based on spoils/patronage/money but also ensured (because of that) that government would inexorably grow.


82 posted on 03/23/2017 12:17:39 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS
“He as much as anyone not only brought on the Civil War but saddled us with a two-party system based on spoils/patronage/money but also ensured (because of that) that government would inexorably grow.”

The disaster at Appomattox ensured the federal government would inexorably grow. No one can say “no” to the government in Washington - and live.

85 posted on 03/23/2017 5:41:57 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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LS on Van Buren: " He as much as anyone not only brought on the Civil War but saddled us with a two-party system based on spoils/patronage/money but also ensured (because of that) that government would inexorably grow. "

Thanks for the history lesson, much appreciated.
Jeffersondem and other pro-Confederates wish us to believe that Lincoln and Republicans are responsible for what really began & continues as a Democrat imperative for ever bigger, more controlling government.

128 posted on 03/27/2017 6:14:35 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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